FWD done right

Maybe tail happy (not undrivable) for the first lap while you heat up the tyres but after that they drive very well indeed.

 

Yes off course, but I highly doubt that one spends money and time to race prep a car, but have it go round worse than the road prep. That's at least the impression the JCW makes on me. I espected it to drive more like the Mini Copper S, I really liked it a lot. Even below 70km/h on Hockenheim it somehow refuses to go into turns and feels like has no power (torque) at all when you shift a bit before redline.

 

Kind of.. yes. But the 2 cars are not the same

And also i agree, there is smth odd with the jcw mini (havent tested the 1.2.1.4 version yet)

 

Yeah i know the Uno and Clio are different but really the Uno could serve the same purpose of Slow to middle speed FWD stiffly sprung race cars.

I just tried the JCW Mini and for the half a lap i could bare to drive that thing it felt fine, its just that darn crackle, static sound that is so F'ING horrible that it makes me want to uninstall AMS2 so bad!

This noise has been in the game since the very first day and Reiza have done nothing about it! WTF is it that they leave this sound in so many cars? I feel like @BrunoB now complaining about something i can avoid by driving something else, but the fact that this isn't a sound they recorded or a sound any car in the world has really annoys me!

This sound is in this Mini, the GT3 BMW, the Porsche 962C and others in some form or another. I have asked if its my HyperX headset, its not. Its something to do with stereo audio and @Domagoj Lovric said he found the issue and it was going to take work to remove but really, all this time on and it is exactly the same on the cars i mentioned and new cars are getting released with this same issue!

I even PM'd @SHR Modding hoping he could help but he replied once and then went cold

I'm parking AMS2 again....this is going to get me banned or something and i don't want that.

 

@2ndLastJedi i understand your frustration as i (now) realize that "sound" in sim racing plays a major role in immersion and is sometimes overlooked (i say now cause i - my self - was used to not giving much interest into it)

On the other hand, if i remember well, did n't Reiza say (in a recent roadmap) that they have already started "reviewing" the in-game sound ? And that this is an on going procedure?

 

Please have a look at this:

, and then try to recreate it with the copa cars... you see something is odd. Those 80HP Citroen/Peogeot/Toyotas do with ease, what the 130HP Copa Unos struggle to do.
My wife drove an 2009 107 until 2018 when it was replaced by an Up! GTi. I fortified it's power, because I'm also RL a notorious car tweaker, with some Denso/K&N/FOX exhaust Magic to 72 HP, no TC, no ESP and got rid of 20 Kg of weight. It was much to light (730kg total) on the rear and lifted it more then once, but that was in no way what AMS2 FWD Cars do.

 

well, reviewed or not, there is plenty of room for improvement, Currently too much cars share the exact same sounds, and the fuscas sound nothign like a VW Flat 4. Nothing in race gaming is currently able to come even close to the superb sounds of DiRT Rally 2.0 which perfectly nails the sound of old VWs, Peugeots, Opels, BMW... and Porsches.

 

Which Fusca? Some of the racing Fuscas use an inline 4 IRL.

I do agree about Dirt Rally 2.0. Best sounds in the business for my money.

 

I agree but in this case i would be happy to have a lesser sound but without these annoying AF crackles.

Anyway i have taken this too far off topic and i apologies.

When i said FWD done right, i was referring to the FFB and torque steer. I agree that they aren't perfect in the way they drive but just remember sims are trying to cram so much through a single FFB wheel, so imo they do a really good job in translating all that to us, could they be improved, almost certainly but how far, i don't know what is actually possible with the limitations of a single steering wheel to translate all the RL forces a RL driver feels.

Sound on the other hand can 100% be improved, if onlt just to remove those annoying crackles.

 

Yeap i get your point. I used to have the same car (well not the same but.. its simbling - the toyota aygo) so i understand what y say here.

I m sure that reiza's fw cars (which as i said before i m a major fan and i usually play with most of times) need more physics tweaks and better setup as they are way understeery (do not also forget the lift off oversteer effect). I m sure though that their physics is not in final stage yet (or at least i hope they are not).

But - as much as i changed their setup (camber, toe in, tyre pressures) - i have not found yet the perfect sense behind their wheel

PS Seeing your video just came to my mind this: There is a citroen c1 mod in rf2 (which i ve found from a closed internet league) which is exceptionally good and fun to drive (day and night between this and current state reiza's fwd cars imho). Different game engines and physics i know but..this is how fw cars should behave

 

What am i trying to recreate here that the Uno isnt already doing?
I just tried the latest build and i don't see a problem?? Certainly not too tail happy even straight out of the pits.

 

I for one certainly hope the Mini 1965 or Copa Uno never get changed to become boring modern FWD shopping carts. These were old-school race cars driven sideways into corners, which is obvious as soon as you watch any historic race footage. The modern Copa Classics might be a different story, although I don't think they are very high on anyone's to-do list. I do agree there is a need for a good modern FWD race car in AMS2 - the Mini JCW as it is currently just feels muddy and unresponsive.

 

In case someone is interested here are my general setups for the copa cars (i have already post this in "bug section" even though it is not a bug but rather a better setup imo )

1) Chevette car (not fwd car) => default setup (haven't change anything yet)

2) Gol's => 1.50 psi for all tyres, front antiroll 30 N/mm, Rear antiroll 0 N/mm, camber angle -1.0 deg, toe in angle 0 deg

3) Passat's => 1.50 psi for all tyres, front antiroll 20 N/mm, Rear antiroll 0 N/mm, camber angle -1.0 deg, toe in angle 0 deg

For the hot cars, i just set all tyre pressure to 1.50 psi for all cars, without any further adjustments

Cars have now better handling and are not so much understeery!

If anyone has better setups for the fwd cars please let us know here

 

Gols torsion beam rear axles, there should be no roll bar option at all, same for FIAT Uno

 

Are y sure you can't change front anti-roll values? Cause i can

 

Yes but..what 's your point?

 

Oh yeap sorry. I was reffering to the copa cars (in general) I will enter a note for this car