General AI Performance Discrepancy Reports (No Discussion)

F classic G2 race transition from wet to dry:
There is a large discrepancy between player and AI to AI.
See screenshots for settings.
Only myself and 2 cars started on wets (after thunderstorm in practice and rain for the start) The rest on slicks
The slick dudes dropped like flies at 20+sec per lap
6 laps in four AI drivers went in for wets.
Halfway through the race the rain stopped and the track dried up.
By 75% race distance there was a solid dry line with little to no water on track
I stopped for slicks
No matter how gently I accelerated, the (still on slicks mostly) whistled past me like i was driving an Uno. Any amount of gentle acceleration cause the rear to completely loos grip and spin. I started losing 40s per lap and the dudes still on slicks from the start annihilated the rest of us.

 

Could custom AI drivers and skills have an influence on this?
Apologies for the multiple posts....

 

You might want to take a look at 1988 Imola, (and probably the other Imola Variants.) It seemed like the AI could both brake later and accelerate faster out of the hairpins on either end of the track and out of the final chicane on the start finish straight, even while riding on the curves or grass. Racing the same cars, on the same settings at Barcelona shows me I'm roughly on pace.

Was using the Formula Classic Gens 2 and 4
Clear conditions, with high track usage.
Ai at 100% and mid agression.aggression.
Also did about 30 minutes of practice before hand trying setup changes to get up to pace... (if that matters?)

 

Baseline Strength: 108/Max Aggression
Car Used:F-USAG1&2
Track: Barcelona
Session: Qualifying/Race

AI loses only 1 second from qualy to race, while I lose 2-3 seconds, however it seems the AI dont really fuel the cars for qualy in these classes, you see some with 29l others with 55l and so on. But anyway that doesn't make a difference because come race time, the AI cars with 100l do the same times as some that have 50l, so the fuel weight is definitely not doing much to affect the pace of the AI. Photos are from the G1 test, but the results are pretty much the same, I didn't test G3, but you have to assume they also have the same issue as the cars are pretty similar.

On a positive note I did the test with the F-Usa 2023 and it was perfect!

 

Baseline Strength: 108/Max Aggression
Car Used:BMW Procar
Track: Barcelona
Session: Qualifying/Race

AI is a bit too slow on the dry and way slower on the wet, they lost 1.8 seconds compared to the qualy time, while I lost about 7 tenths (it might have been a case of a bad qualy for me and the AI is simply too slow overall) while in the wet I lost 11 seconds while the AI lost 13. The race began with light rain and a moist track, which lasted about 10 laps then it got wetter and we all change tires on lap 13. Dunno if that affected the AI dry pace at the beginning, it didn't to me.

 

Not sure about gen 1 and 2, but there is a problem with the fusa 23.

First off, my ai baseline strength with stcokcar23 at Barcelona is 109. However, I'm a second faster than the fusa 23 ai at 109. I need to bump it up to 113 to be evenly matched at lows 1.25.
Sec 1 is where I beat them, the other 2 sectors they are faster.

Then in the race, 30 laps, clear weather and 40 degree track temp. The fist 10 ai were faster then me. I got dropped from 1st to 5th, I just couldn't keep up with their pace. I was doing 1.27 highs at that point. It was only after lap 8 or 9 that I was at the same pace as the fast ai. I pitted at lap 16, again I was slower than the AI after pitting, only towards the end of the race pace was more balanced.

 

Strange, I had no issues with them, had a rather nice time and was battling for the lead with pretty equal laptimes with a full tank. Did you start the race on the softer tires?

 

Yep, softs. The AI only uses softs so it makes sense to go for softs as well.

 

Gave them a go again and you are right in that they are slower compared to the base strength, however I was able to have a great time hanging to a 1 second lead for some 10 laps, never being under threat of getting overtaken and having the best lap of the race at 113 strength. Aero wash is strong in this class, so if you get passed, you lose a good 5+ tenths of your ultimate pace!

 

I was trying to establish the AI' raw pace in my previous test. Yes, if I manage to stay within draft distance I can keep up with them better, but without their draft their are father than me on a fuel tank. Also, I was on default setup.

Fusa23 at Fontana. 113. The AI is too slow, mainly coming out of the bankers. I'm half second faster than the AI in clean air.

 

F-USAG2/Reynard-Ford performance qualifying vs race @110 strengh/high aggression. I'm not sure whether this is actually the pace they are able to go because I don't know if they were fuelled to the brim, which I was. Imo it is NOT sensible to go for full fuel with these cars because the tire wear is horrible; I'd estimate they're done after 10/11 laps at Bathurst, because there was already very notable tire wear by lap 8.

EDIT: Very similar at Brasilia (which is much better AI-wise than Bathurst), about 1.5 seconds loss relative to the AI from quali to race plus big tire wear.

 

F-Reiza 110/High Aggression AI in "light rain" conditions on dry tires vs F-Reiza 110/High Aggression AI in dry conditions. I gain around 2.5 seconds (admittedly my laps in the rain weren't the best and there was probably around a second in them, but it's almost impossible to drive perfectly in these very difficult conditions, which the AI easily manage, and then also are very quick compared to normally).

EDIT: Apparently the screenshot I made of the light rain times is broken; I'll retry and post one as soon as I have something representative.

EDIT2: Apparently, light rain and light rain are not at all the same. The AI stay a bit quicker in relation to the player in a similar way though. The lap I did was one of the best I've ever done in light rain conditions.

 

Baseline Strength: Tested with 105, medium and 120 max agression
Car Used: Any Copa Classic B
Track: Londrina Long
Session: Qualifying/Race
The ai are very slow in any situation here

 

Montreal, Sprint at 107% high Aggression which is my baseline. I was 1.2 father than the AI in Quali. I am pretty sure I could have shaved off another 0.5 of my best lap.
Sector 2 is especially poor from the AI. They slow down a lot at the exit of the S after the bridge.

 

Baseline Strength: ? Normally 110 at least.
Aggression: High
Strength used: 105
Class: F-USAG3
Fuel in the car: 76 liters at race start.
My vehicle: Lola-Toyota, which in the hands of the AI was more than 2 seconds quicker per lap. In quali it was 1.4 seconds gap; I don't have a screenshot of that.

AI in this class is just far too quick compared to the player, much quicker out of every slow corner; they're gaining around half a second out of every exit of every slow corner. Braking performance seems alright, maybe even slightly too weak, but their pace out of corners destroys racing with this class.

 

GT1 @ VIR Full, 103% strength, 50% aggression, medium rubber.
I'm 21st in qualifying, driving the McLaren

setup:
more front arb, less rear arb
2 clicks more rearwing
front + rear -1mm height
+3 springs front
preload -2 clicks
clutches 2

- AI has often much better acceleration out of T1
- AI can also take the rollercoaster a bit better than me

 

Baseline Strength: 108/Max Aggression
Car Used:F1 ClassicG1
Track: Imola 88
Session: Qualifying/Race

Tested the AI fuel pace and in Brands Hatch it was pretty close to being equal to the player bar the Lotus. Imola however is not close, the Lotus are again much faster, I think they definitely didn't get updated so will ignore them for now (they are also OP in general). The issue here was that the generic cars lost some 9 seconds, while I lost a pretty realistic 6 seconds. I forgot to take a photo of the qualy times, but I did a 1:27.4(could have done a 27 flat), while the closest generic was Keke...ehmm Keijo with a 1:27.7. Now the fastest generics like Pereira and Marshall weren't able to do a representative lap before retiring in qualy, but the best Mansell...ahem, Marshall could manage in the race was a 1:36.2 in clear air, while I manage a 1:33.1 using normal fuel mixture.

I dunno if the AI conserve their fuel right now, but that might be one reason why they where so slow, if not, well it seems the fuel issue might be track dependent as well.

 

The GT1 AI is much faster in general than most classes no matter the track, I have to reduce them to 100% to be able to challenge for podiums.