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Group C cars grip under acceleration

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - General Discussion' started by Bloodhound, Jul 29, 2023.

  1. MJV_1973

    MJV_1973 finnish ed AMS2 Club Member

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    I asked from Renato ;)
    Just would like to know from devs if it´s more caused by other physic changes and not meant to be like what it´s now or maby devs like how it´s at this state.
     
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  2. Racinglegend1234

    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    Either wait for Renato to say something or just wait for a few weeks. You will still probably have to wait the same amount of time. What you can do is expect changes since the physics aren’t finalised
     
  3. MJV_1973

    MJV_1973 finnish ed AMS2 Club Member

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    I just don´t understand why some guys rush to comment when question is not meant to be for them :rolleyes: Also some at this forum fill threads with off topic chatting.

    If Renato do not have time or do not want answer, that´s fine.
    Life is too short for continuous waiting, going to play some AMS2 :)
     
  4. Racinglegend1234

    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    Well I was just trying to help by giving a answer using Renato’s comments.
     
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  5. CrimsonEminence

    CrimsonEminence Administrator Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Please check your clutch - your videos hint quite substantial clutch slip. (doesn't need to be but worth ruling out, i get them to accelerate in the limiter also without clutch slipping which hints long slip which contradicts the claims about no long slip)

    Do you have any mods with driveline.rg modifications and are you using manual clutch?

    Just fyi guys - Gr.C is one of the classes that are slower after the revision and actually feature less grip - the more longitudinal slip - the less snappier things can actually become but you will still get notable wheelspin - something isn't right in these videos but it doesn't look like tires and isn't reproducible this way without lighting them up...

    More modern downforce cars being on the more lenient side isn't an unfair assessment but if you are in the limiter and accelerating it's either wheelspin or clutch slip - because there is not much tire spin audio and the car still accelerates in limiter there is something slipping in any way, but it's most likely the clutch more than the tires... (could also be tires, it just hints that there is longitudinal slip then)

    Checked clutches of the Gr.C cars and they're quite beefy parts, so check inputs for clutch application as a first step and steam file verify if there is the case you ever installed any mods.
     
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  6. ricxx

    ricxx Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Group C is lifeless and the GT1 Porsche's soul consisted of wheel spin. Wow. :p I don't think that this kind of drama and polemic gets us anywhere.
    In the meantime I did some more laps in the Corvette and the rear does indeed step out, in TT btw and optimum conditions.

    Edit: Ah they got slower then.
     
  7. Racinglegend1234

    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    The Sauber also feels lively in TT
     
  8. ricxx

    ricxx Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Can you say anything about why Group C got slowed down?
     
  9. CrimsonEminence

    CrimsonEminence Administrator Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Because they were too quick.
     
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  10. ricxx

    ricxx Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Hm ok, that makes sense :D but power hasn't been reduced as far as I can tell. Checked telemetry yesterday on the Nissan and peak hp was 900+
     
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    CrimsonEminence Administrator Staff Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Sauber C9, lighting and locking it up on soft slicks.

    It's a fair assessment to say that it doesn't feel suicidal, but it has long slip all day here.
    No, there was no reduction of power/torque.
     
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  12. Janitormentor

    Janitormentor Active Member

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    If Group C cars got slower then why Sauber C9 is quite fast comparing to other cars in same class? Something I'm missing? Now Corvette AI driver can't get anywhere. Example: Sauber C9 drivers are within about 1 second, then mostly Nissan drivers are next but over 2 seconds slower depending on track. Big gap there, but I understand if that's historically relevant. Sauber C9 is fast everywhere no matter what the track is. Before 1.5 update it was closer racing between different models, Porsche was only slow car when AI was driving. Now it's C9 first and then others. Monza 1991, diff 120, driving Nissan, lose about 1.2 seconds to AI Sauber (was on pole) per lap in qualify then AI Nissan driver was 2.4 seconds slower. Some AI drivers are too slow? Nissan has very good top speed but Sauber C9 is still top because there is other areas where it thrive.
     
  13. Don Hunter

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    I’ve never installed one mod so that’s not it for me. Seems there’s different versions on some folks , because none of the Group C cars are beasts for me, and others commenting here
     
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    Driving the Group Cs with auto clutch is hiding all the wild horses - the shift from 1st to 2nd with a manual clutch and H shifter will provoke rebellion amongst the 900 stallions. Just saying.
     
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  15. Don Hunter

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    Manual clutch here
     
  16. Don Hunter

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    Here’s a question;
    On pc startup , steam stats up. I probably took 5 minutes to sit down. I open ams2 and the dl is done? I heard it was 5 gigs? I have fiber optic and dl is about 800-1000. But 5 min and 5 gigs that seems too fast. Looks like there’s, two groups, one has the former beast Group C and others like myself with the underbelly of a gt4
     
  17. Bloodhound

    Bloodhound New Member

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    Honestly, for me your video shows more what's wrong with the car instead of showing that it's quite ok.
    The simple fact that you can abuse and drift the C9 like that without ever losing control is unrealistic from my point of view.
     
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  18. Racinglegend1234

    Racinglegend1234 AMS2 wiki founder AMS2 Club Member

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    Was the car really that hard to drive as you describe it? To me it doesn’t seem that way
     
  19. Mazdaspeed

    Mazdaspeed Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Why? Should a racing car feel like it's on ice? Have you seen when drivers warm their tires? They slide and control the car, that's basically what that video showed.
     
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  20. mister dog

    mister dog Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    It's not that black and white, like if you point out the cars can be abused now without much of a repercussion that it means you want to turn AMS2 into irenting :D

    To be fair I would have also expected a pirouette with the kind of abuse Crimson is handing out there on the C9. I'll run some more laps now in different cars see if my initial impressions remain in the 'too much grip' camp.
     

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