Official General AI Comments & Discussion Topic

Hello, tryed few F1, both some news and some of the older ones. The formula edge and hybrid Gen 1 are both very enjoyable and will be great with livery mods and names. I liked the physics also.. Good feelings on the wheel and behaviour of the tyres seems convincing. Was noticeable also the dirty air effect.

AI was in general enjoyable but not perfect :
Sometimes form groups of 3 or 4 cars.. They occasionally open up pretending to overtake each other.. But then doesn't happen and they go back in line... Difficult to overtake those group without dive bomb or exploiting some points of the track were they go really slow.

In few occasion it happened they just pushed me from back.. I wasn't braking or going too slow.. So I was puzzled...

For reference.
I've tryed suzuka and spa... Ai with average aggression and 90 as difficulty.. Normal weather conditions.

So probably ai still need some fine tune... But I believe in reiza! And I'm pretty sure the career will be gorgeous in the end.

Graphical performances in VR. Stunning as before

 

Why is the A.I (at 109) top speed down to the first chicane at Hockenheim 01 only 300 km/h in the Formula Edge ? Doesn`t matter if it`s V8, V10, or V12. Are they running a high downforce set-up ? where I`m able to hit 328 - 332 depending on the exit from turn one. Haven`t tried it on any other LDF track. Also the A.I seem to get zero slipstream when following another A.I even though they`re like two inches behind or any dirty air for that matter.

 

Just did nearly the same thing: Formula Edge at Hockenheim 1988. It's way too easy to win against AI even at 120 strength. Usually I race against AI at 107-113 (depending on the track and the car I use) and I am not very good with Formula cars - although I like them very much.

 

It`s the same at Monza 91 300 km/h, the V12 A.I is like 305 km/h but I am 319 - 323 depending on the car I`m driving, but as you say its way too easy to blast past them on the straights. I must try them on a high downforce track, theres no point on low downforce tracks, unless you want to handicap yourself by use high wing.

 

Currently, I'm satisfied with most AIs, but in my opinion, their performance in light rain isn't good. They maintain a dry-weather pace that players can't match. In the previous update, this could be fixed by editing files to remove light rain, but now those files are hidden P.S. I should post on AI discussion page sorry.

Currently, I'm satisfied with most AI behavior; however, their performance in light rain is not ideal. They maintain a dry-weather pace on dry tires even on wet surfaces, which is unrealistic for players to match. In the previous update, this could be adjusted by editing files to remove light rain, but those files are now hidden.

 

Isn't there an AI rain setting when you set up a race?

 

In my opinion, that setting only applies when they are using intermediate or wet tires. I'm referring to damp conditions when they are still on dry tires (the “crossover” phase, where the lap time difference is under about 10–12%).

 

Track and layout used: Spielberg GP
Car: F_Hybrid Gen 1 (2016)
Report: AI enter the slow corners too aggressively, brake late, lock up the tyres and then go extremely slow on the exit, almost standing still. Kinda disturbing when you drive behind them and can hardly avoid a crash. Happens very often on this track.

 

Right. This is also my observation.

Reiza, the wet scalar should also apply, perhaps proportionally, on dry tires on a not fully dry track.

 

At Imola, accidents happen constantly — every few laps there's another one. The frequency is just too high (at the spot shown in the picture), no matter what type of car it is The only spot where incidents keep recurring is that specific corner in the photo. Nowhere else on the track.If I remember correctly, that was at the Villeneuve chicane, Turns 5 and 6."

 

The same situation occurs in Sebring —the 120AI is ridiculously slow, not just at one corner, but at many corners. I have to go to the hot lap leaderboard to find other players' ghost races.In fact, there are quite a few tracks in the game where the AI is too slow. Once one car model is slow, almost all other models are slow as well. I suggest the developers directly use the top time from the hot lap leaderboard (selecting the car and class with the most recorded laps) as the benchmark for 120% difficulty, rather than patching each one individually while waiting for feedback. After all, this game already has a wealth of player hot lap resources—it would be a natural and logical thing to do, right?"

 

That would be a bad idea with alot of those are cheated lap times and most setups are made for a single lap before the car breaks

 

No, no, that actually doesn’t matter. As long as you're on par with the top competitor at 120% difficulty—even if they're cheating or a one-lap wonder—we can always lower the difficulty: 100%, 90%... you'll eventually find a pace that suits you. But if you're left behind even by the 120% AI, then you'll never find a qualified offline opponent again... Don't you agree?120% only represents an upper limit and a benchmark. It doesn't mean everyone has to race at that difficulty. Most of the time, you're free to choose around 100. For each track, each car, and each moment with a different level of familiarity, there are different difficulty settings

 

So I tried Termas de Rio Hondo again. This time I scaled down the difficulty to 100 just to see if I can now match the AIs which I couldn't with 105. Here were the results:



Somehow I managed to now beat them but it is still filled with certain issues:
AIs still feel too fast for selected difficulty and they also are late-diving on the brakes at turn 7 along with also still being brutally fast out of turn 8.

 

It's downright impossible to keep track at what times are at the leaderboards and always readjust to new fastest lap times, there are so many class and track combinations that for many combinations the leading time doesn't necessary mean that's the best time good players can achieve since there are so few entries.

Key to AI difficulty to me is that a value should result in a smiliar skillevel for a player across all tracks, so you don't have to readjust them for every single track but can set it up once and just drive any track. If you match AI to leaderboard times this will get really bad since on some tracks like Nordschleife a perfect leaderboard laptime will be insanely far away from a regular race pace while on like Watskins Glen Short it will be very close together.

A big bunch of AI adjustment is announced for 1.7, so I have my hopes high that Reiza will release more great improvements so we should just report where issues occur so they can look into that.

 

Spilberg.
AI 117 medium aggro
Car F Hybrid G2 (any car exibits this in some way)

AI is way too quick in Wurth and Rindt, easily gaining 1 or 2 tenths in Wurth and another 2 or 3 in Rindt. Increasing the downforce on this car from the default to about 40 makes it less bad but then you get destroyed on the straights. So there's clearly something wrong.

 

Track : Imola 2001
Car : Formula Edge
AI : 100 / Medium aggro
AI can brake way later than player at Variante Alta around 50 Meters or so, plus they have better acceleration out of it.

 

Previously I did mention the main problems with Road America. I gave now a try on the layout Road America Bend. This layout literally is everything that the main one should be: The AIs are perfectly paced around the track, they stay on the left on the main straight(Road America Straight) and they also are properly paced through Bill Mitchell Bend(Turn 13). However, the only issue the "Bend" layout has is that the AIs are too steady through the Bend chicane! In S2 I can outpace them by around 2 seconds.