Reaction to Ermin's Video

So I drove the metalmoro ajr honda for 10 laps at donington national in rf2 and ams2 yesterday. The difference I feel is in the directness of my inputs to what the car does, in rf2 I feel everything I do has an immediate reaction that makes sense for the input I put in. Ams2 just feels a bit more vague in the inputs for me. The second thing I feel is what happens when you go over the limit in both sims. In rf2 every time I make a mistake I know why it happened and I feel like it was my fault. In ams2 at times the car will snap for no discernable reason and I'll be left in a cloud of dust confused as hell. I think both of these come down to the ffb just being not quite as responsive and direct in ams2 as it is in rf2. This doesn't mean I hate ams2, in fact I love the game and want it to grow, but in my opinion it has some issues to work out before it can gain more widespread appeal.

 

Comparing reiza cars on both sims are best imo because they are both cars for engines they didn't design. To me it's the closest comparison for what reiza can do on the two engines.

 

While I might agree with you (ams1 is amazing), it won't change my conclusion.

 

I get this vague feeling in more cars as well but I thought it was more because of physics/handling and maybe tyre model?
Im using the latest r fuktor files and I really love how informative it is.

But yeah cars can feel pretty floaty just like they did in PC2.

 

You did well to be even vaguely coherent at that time in the morning, if your PC’s clock was correct.

I haven’t finished watching it yet but so far it’s been very interesting, particularly with reference to driving the Porsche and setting up for that style.

....and it has to be said, at least GM isn’t dismissing AMS2 completely having admitted he finds a great deal of fun to be in it. However, I’m glad to see someone with some in depth knowledge be able to counter arguments/opinions that aren’t necessarily the most watertight.

 

I'm not sticking up for the guy but the folks earlier suggesting he has lost credibility because he's changed his mind is bonkers.... completely bonkers! I know I don't feel how I did a year ago in regards to AMS2, or anything for that matter. That's the beauty of life and living. You can learn and grow and change. You CAN'T be handcuffed to an opinion you once had or once said otherwise that'll confuse or displease others. For the record, that Ermin guy comes across as a bit of a helmet, plus, yeah that whole "legends" line literally makes me want to jump through my triples and strike him in the centre of his face. I feel dirty and used and I have to go have a bit of sick in my mouth... ...I will however be handcuffed to THAT opinion. Growth or not.

 

Added rep for using ‘helmet’ in non racing terms. You Sir took me back to the halcyon days of my youth...when everyone was called a helmet, especially the teachers.

 

You are welcome

 

#reactception

 

Holy ****. 2h Steelcast video incoming?

 

We gonna go deeper: @steelreserv watching Gamer Muscle watching @steelreserv

Then Gamer Muscle responds with him watching @steelreserv watching...
And so on.

Unlimited meta.

 

Bit the bullet and watched the entire thing.
I think it was quite reasonable and respectful. I also like how he admits that he didn't really portray his argument very nicely.
My one issue with it though, is how he keeps talking about the fanboys(tm). I mean, i'm not in his stream, so it might be pretty bad over there, but on these forums people tend to be quite critical.
But hey, that's just my opinion.

 

That's his entire thing. Those who disagree with him and are somewhat passionate get immediately called fanboys. These are agent provocateur tactics to get reactions. He employs them to drive views because his fan(boy)s get a kick of seeing him call others fanboys.

Hypocrisy 101

Edit: He can be a funny **** sometimes. xD

 

Well I watch Gm's streams regularly as they are entertaining and the chat is funny. GM doesn't take himself too seriously and that is what I like about him and the chat. He regularly times out Tortellinii who is a fast ACC "fanboy" just for the comedic effect and agree with most of his views on sim racing. For example, Iracing's business model or the over the limit behaviour etc, etc. I don't have a discussion on stream on AMS2's physics as he and others have their POV and trying to change someone's mind on a game is really an exercise in futility. You can point out settings, etc. to help but only they can decide if they like the game or not and no amount of arguing will change someone's opinion of a game it usually has the opposite effect of turning them away even more from a game as you sound like a zealot.

I do not have though the same need or fascination with LOO (apart from FWD cars) as he does and I do not find the same issues with the game's physics as other do but that doesn't mean they are not valid. It is so easy to play one sim and gloss over issues in your own mind which others find a real major issue and by definition what a "fanboy" does is what he is getting at I think.

His view that AC is the gold standard for FFB and physics is not one i'm in agreement with. I prefer the FFB in AMS1 and AMS2 and have found the low speed understeer in some cars in AC bloody annoying and unrealistic and the behaviour driving over kerbs which is like driving over ice (irrespective of the actual kerb design).

As for the default setups and the majority of TT top setups are too unstable and therefore slower for me simply because if you try to push the car you end up in spinning where I prefer a car you can slightly overdrive finding the limit of grip and still recover and dial it down. I cannot drive most of the top TT setups in most classes as they just undriveable to me with too much instability so I muck around with setups by trial and error (as i'm too lazy and too thick to use telemetry) to find a car I feel comfortable driving and is fun to drive.

 

I have zero problem with GM and his videos, he’s actually entertaining and in this case he raises perfectly valid points in the context of his admiration for Reiza and the game in general. Yes there really are issues with off throttle oversteer, braking twitchiness and grip/slip. They need to be reported and they need to be worked on (along with numerous other physics and other quirks). GM addresses this in a style that is worlds apart from the hypocrisy and petulance of Ermin.