TC on GT3 cars seems very intrusive on any setting?

Thanks for your replies and help with this question! I agree - each sim has it's character and strengths. ☺️

I will also give R3E a go - strangely it is also the M4 GT3 I too often use in AMS2 and rF2.

 

I did try the M4 GT3 in R3E today and it is as you describe. Even on TC level 1 you can drive hard out of bends without a spin. Like AMS2 it activates TC at 'the same' yaw point regardless of TC setting number. (Unlike rF2, LMU and ACC which widen the activation parameters with lower settings). It has less TC activity in a straight line than AMS2 however.

Overall it definitely looks like an area (to me) that AMS2 (and R3E) could look at for better simulation/realism - but I still enjoy both games.

 

Thanks! That does explain the 'always on' feeling (longitudinal traction slip) and why it is so sensitive to any additional cornering slip at all. If I could suggest something it would be that something seems amiss with the sensitivity or actual slip values in that case as it is nigh on impossible to not invoke some TC activity in any real curve even on the lowest setting.

I definitely do crank it up if I'm in a simulated wet race though!

Thanks again!

 

Thank you for the reply! Really useful info!

I totally understand what you describe and I get it - but that choice means that haptics that react to TC activity are therefore almost constantly on. If I switch the haptics off it all works beautifully but with haptics on it is an almost continuous feedback event around any lap.

I see that haptics for TC on are a niche case though. I can avoid the issue by switching that off and instead tuning wheel slip haptic response - and now that I understand how it is represented in AMS2 I will!

Please understand my issue is not how the car behaves as TC settings are decreased (in that aspect the progression/calibration difference is evident) - it is how the haptic feedback doesn't reflect the setting change - its always generated regardless of setting. If it was just flashing blue lights indicating TC activity I wouldn't be disturbed but when it's a vibrating pedal and seat pad it is just too much. rF2 and especially ACC have glaring other weaknesses in my view but in terms of presenting TC activity they are much more linear and progressive in haptic feedback (TC active) terms and still also show progression in vehicle yaw rate allowance. R3E appears not to - it is much more like AMS2 but even it doesn't generate as much TC activity on the straights at low settings.

So the short (!) answer from me is I agree the alerts are more intrusive than the activation but unfortunately for haptics it is the alerts that trigger feedback and therefore result in almost constant vibration on any TC setting. That's something perhaps worth looking at?

 

Yes, the indicator (and in your case the haptics along with it) are a bit too trigger happy. This gives a misimpression that some serious TC activity is occurring when it may be the tiniest, slightest amount--so little as to be imperceptible as a driver. A threshold so the indicator does not flash until some higher amount of slip occurs would benefit everyone as you are not the first to question this behaviour. Even in most road cars, the TC allows for a small amount of slip--and even some slight TC intervention--before illuminating the indicator so as not to falsely alarm the driver.

 

Is there any way the engine can model other level of TCs or is there some limitation in the madness engine prohibiting that ? Modern GTs, specifically falling under IMSA regulations, offers more and more customisation of their way to tune the TC way beyond only lat-long, 1-2, grip-slip (whatever the manufacturer call them).

 

As you say - It is definitely triggering lights and haptics well below any actual vehicle reaction - that feels like something that could be changed and has no downside. As you said it is not how real vehicles do it, nor is it helpful in the sim - so I hope it does get a rethink. I think AMS2 is amazing in many ways - I really do - but this feels like an easy win to improve it further.

 

So... is this planned of upcoming version of AMS2 ?

 

Also - and genuinely without arrogance - I helped tune (and signed off) TC and stability control on several real high performance vehicles as part of my job. We didn't use the terms TC1 or TC2 etc. I will say again that I think AMS2 and other sims are simply amazing - but in this respect I can see a way to elevate AMS2 for sure.