To Reiza: What physics do you actually want?

i think this sums up tha grip problem on ams2, at 300 kph with tc1 the macc senna is constantly having the tc interfere on an oval,

 

In pcars1 it was possible to see single tire forces represented as vectors and with some mods decent results were achiveable in terms of progressiveness in grip/slip transition.

From what I see the diff in this video was pretty much locked (as in pre-bug AMS2), but overall behaviour is quite convincing allowing for both drifting and clean high speed driving with 'natural' feel.

Hopefully opening tire model/physics parametrs to modders as well will allow for faster development of such a powerful but complex and fairly unstable engine (as stated some posts ago 'fine' modifications may lead to huge changes in vehicle dynamics).

 

Still from modded pcars(1), look at how nicely this McF1 moves over suspensions.

 

if I may contribute
to the point of AMS2 cars lacking of weight or having too low inertia leading to spinning out too easily, I can not agree more and despite the hours and hours of use of Custom FFB files and both file edit tweaking, I did not manage to take away this behaviour many have mentioned on this thread.
Comparing to the rest of the Sims I own (RF2, AC,ACC, hell even RRE) its really in a sense putting me off AMS2 as I am almost scared to fire up the Game and drive

in regards to PC2, I have been driving cars in this Sim for years with the help from Custom FFB such as Jack Spade to start with, then Karsten files -he knows- and finally settled using this guy effort in Racedepartment.
PopsRacer FFB - w full SOP Chassis, full tire patch, and full carcass

To the PC2 haters, you should give it a go and try for yourself but I personally enjoy the Sim, and even more since a week I have been proud owner of Logitech DD GPRO wheel. Its a blast, including with the 98T car

 

I wasnt sure thats why i asked. I know sometimes language barriers make things weird.

 

Thats the problem i cant ignore it anymore. I really like Reiza and what they are doing but something is just off. I honestly have no idea what the actual issue is could be any number of things,throttle,tires,torque curves,etc or maybe a combination of things. All i know is cars dont behave anything like this irl.

 

Not being able to check currently, but I'm almost 99% sure you could do this with the F-V10 Gen2 as well. That car sure does apply traction control at weird places sometimes (especially whenever there's a high G's full throttle corner, like Hockenheim T6).

 

The majority of PC2 cars are ridiculous weightless toys that spin on corner entry like shopping carts. Any "too low inertia" that exists in AMS2 exists 200% times worse in PC2.

 

Yes, that was my point, for the Senna it's kinda reasonable to use traction control at the Daytona Banking, if the FV10-G2 does so as well, that would be a bit weird.

And I'm pretty sure it does, because I vividly remember excessively lowering the V10-Gen2's traction control around tracks like Hockenheim or Termas de Rio Hondo to stop it from activating in high-G full throttle corners.

 

Just my thoughts after trying 2 of the stated cars.

Default: . Back to back this end. Tested both. For me the Ams 2 delivers more than pc2 on Historic tyres, I have no snap but controllable slide. The car is less of a killer than I recall (both sims) and easier.
Tested dry and wet Monza Historic
+ TT default spa 1000 3laps
Beta and Rc builds

Agreed the car was a nutter on release and this end is as in Rl reports and not unexpected. weirdness. Tested 2 tracks Default setup
In bold Roar has hit on something we have seen here before
A suggestion is to post video with exactly what is happening with the problem cars. with pedal input and ffb in hud. this can then be replicated by others to confirm or display opposite.
Seems once again we are playing different games = I expected same as or similar reported results not opposite, in my test

 

But there is supposed to be slip with an LSD! It should not LOCK the wheels! The difference in speed is LESS ,but it SHOULD exist! Or else you are effectivelly getting a spool all of a sudden mid corner! Both wheels should NOT slip the same, because if they do, you went into total shaft lock, and then no wonder the rear decides its time to go sideways like a drift car. Why do you think they weld differentials?...

Basic non sim related search? Locking the clutch pack to the housing is NOT locking both wheels together like even that video i posted showed. Didnt you watch it? They even say "while cornering, the diffs behaves like an open diff". When speed difference increases so does the pressure exerted which expands the case, either by gear pressure, or ramp angles in the case, so like any clutch, friction will build up, and so will the torque transfered to the other wheel. Ideally the wheels should never just lock together like the graphs you keep showing, but this transfer of torque should be seamless, and just help traction without affecting the vehicle trajectory.

 

OK, I get that for Daytona. But for Hockenheim and Termas (T11 specifically)?

 

Well thats not too much to go by now is it? Lateral peak Gs doesnt measure almost nothing in terms of vehicle dynamics. I dont think people are saying the car is too slow on a skidpad or a slalom, the are complaining about its dynamics.

A better test should a direct one to one laptime with recorded inputs of both cars, and even that is a too controlled environment. Now i get those are hard to come by, but dynamics problems are not solved with grip. Many times more grip just makes things worse.

 

So have been out for a couple of hours , has anything been universally established ?
I know one thing , FPS is down in general after the last update ! Kind of makes the physics irrelevant for me now.
Carry on lol X

 

Maybe to add to this: If I watch onboards like the following one, I just don't see the car struggling with traction on the curved exits as much as it does in AMS2. In AMS2, when coming out of the T7/8 complex, traction control would be heavily engaged. Also T3 and exit of the Motodrom hairpin (where Vettel crashed), to a lesser extent.