To Reiza: What physics do you actually want?

Well atm I can't say if there is an exploit to report. That would be up to @BrunoB.

 

Thanks - my good man
But using my fully handcontrolled setup isnt that bad.
Beside having no FFB the main downside of having to use the fingers to both steer the wheel and change gears AND control the throttle/brake levers is - that I have absolutely no finecontrol of the thr/br at the entrance of a corner.
Because here I have to turn the wheel and therefore have to shift abruptly down to brake the car and make it rotate - instead of using the brake to brake the car.
Hehe but I have got used to this handicap.

ByTheWay: In my iRacing days the iDevs offered me as a friendly service the possibility to get rid of the gear change auto blip delay/handicap everybody in iRacing has to accept - if they are using the auto blip. But I turned (proudly ) the offer down because it gave me/gives me a psychological boost to know that I probably(!!) could be slightly faster if I participated on equal terms.

 

Drivers have a whole team to get the car prepared and the driver drives and mostly just give feedback to the engineers. Gone are the days of the driver getting 'under the bonnet".
I enjoy both but mostly I don't have hours to spend getting the utmost out of a setup so just do the same standard setting tweaks that are tried and tested or just run defaults with a minor adjustment like bb and gearing. That is unless I have a challenge that I want to really get stuck into. Even then I'm never the fastest on the board. If I get top 20 I'm OK with that, anything higher I know the fast guys didn't attend.

 

OK Ill take that challenge
Because taken from the comments about this car it sounds like its even more brutal than the L98T.
Ill test the 52 on the same 2x Spa Historics I have been falling in love with

ByTheWay: BUT - If the BT52 is too difficult for me then I will abort the challenge and make some kind of comment that you guys has cheated me to drive it.

 

Sharing is caring, setups included

 

The exploit is only blocking game from adding ghost.
Offtopic in this thread, hence links

 

Bullocs.
If you are forced to share your setup then it is anything else than caring.
As example iRacing does it extremely easy to share your setups inside the game.
But as a more fullblown sim iRacing make this feature voluntary.
Thats caring.
And furthermore I dont want to share hours work with people who proudly tell others that they dont want to waste their oh so precious time messing with setting up a virtual car.
And its often the same people who does advocate that more and more MP races should only be run with fixed setups.
Because custom setups is nearly some kind of "cheating".

ByTheWay: End of story for my part.

 

I've been driving the BMW 2002 Turbo in both AMS2 and PCars2 and was surprised to find just how much more fun and drivable the PCars2 version is.

The PCars2 implementation is possibly a bit basic but enables properly controllable bursts of speed coming off corners, with the FFB giving good info as to what's happening with the rear tyres and it feels natural and enjoyable to drive.

The AMS2 version is, frankly, horrible to drive. It's very understeery yet can't wait to turn 90 degrees on minimal throttle input with next to no info in the FFB. It generally floats around like a boat on the sea and doesn't feel anything like a sports car.

Please give this beautiful little car a character and feel that will make people want to drive it. The beautiful historical tracks could do with some beautiful handling historical saloon cars to drive on.

 

One bad thing of simracing's expansion, is how much the setup crafting aspect of it has been bastardized and denigrated in the process.

"I'm nit in inshiniiirrrrr!!! " is all I read nowadays. Yeah right, me neither, and that never stopped me from learning and trying to improve my craft. +15 years in simracing, I'm still learning, and most important, still willing to learn.

I'm a guy who is willing to share setups and even expand on the reasoning of why I came up with each value of every setting. This is because I want for people to learn too. Unfortunately, as time passes I find more and more people uninterested in getting involved with a crucial aspect of simracing. What's even more puzzling is that some of them are actually quite competitive in spirit. Wanting to win without willing to learn new ways to win is a contradiction by itself.

That's enough offtopic. This warrants a dedicated discussion on its own thread.

 

All valid points, but in the case of AMS2 the reason I gave up on working on setups is because of the constant changes in physics. I've had AMS2 since June 2021, I used to drive a a bunch of different cars, test different setups for them, but I stopped doing that since I've lost count of how many times I had to reset and/or delete setups because of updates that changed physics. Nowadays I drive only a couple of cars and only do minor changes to setup. Whenever AMS2 gets to a point where physics have reached a stable state and there are no major changes that require setup reset then I'll feel encouraged to spend more time testing car setups.

 

I would say that it has been pretty consistent since 1.3.

 

Conserning this mandatory reset or deleting of setups then I have commented a few times in this forum that I have NEVER folloved this goofy(IMO) mantra.
Or rather I have tested this advice twice(2x) because Reiza without informing us had changed something gripwise in a car - and I thought WTF.
But because the reset didnt make anything better I re-copied the old setups back - hehe and did actually set some better laptimes on some LBs with the old setups.

In most cars I use rather old setups and my positions on many formula TT LBs does probably prove that keeping old setups isnt so bad a strategy.

ByTheWay: A few times I have advocated the idea that there is another reason for this reset setup mantra.
Its because there is a fundamental BUG in the idiotic way the Madness engine does manage setup files.
Because if you just want to save one(1) single setup - then this Mad engine does rename and resave ALL setups on ALL tracks for this car model.
But this Mad engine cant handle this.
Because if you unfortunately have created a certain number setups for a certain car model then the setup INDEX file gets corrupted - and some setups does either begin to disappear or get saved with strange values inside.
Thats the real reason for this reset setup mantra if you ask me.

 

I would say that the current file structure for setups does not help the sharing one bit. Having to send 4 screenshots to share a setup plain sucks. Yes, I know that leaderboards are a workaround, but hotlapping is not something that I enjoy a lot, therefor I hardly ever set times in Time Trial.

 

What

what FFB do you use and what settings?

 

Thx for reply!
I hope that in future patches you and the rest of the team members in terms of setting up physics and FFB will pay attention to people like me and will not forget about us. Maybe a separate FFB preset for budget Logitech wheels or something like that. Don't know. Because, as it seems to me, a massive transition to budget DDs or other mid-range steering wheels will happen again not so soon.

 

Well in my quest to find out why someone would go to the effort of hiding their setups to the point of quitting the game or pulling the internet cable out after each TT lap i made a full effort to catch P1 here and was only able to manage a 2:44.5xx with a setup i felt was reasonable for this car well to the best of my setup knowledge, after that i tried exploits, lowest camber and highest tyre pressures and managed to beat the lap by 0.600. Is this a normal technique that would be considered a suitable setup or is it actually an exploit? Or did i just get faster by doing more laps? Is this the reason ghosts are being hidden or is it really not wanting people to "steal" setups?

Maybe someone faster can do a faster lap on a more authentic setup or even default but with my little time this arvo this was my effort.

TO BE CLEAR, I AM NOT ACCUSING ANYONE OF ANYTHING, MEARING TRYING TO FIND OUT WHY ITS SO IMPORTANT TO HIDE SETUPS! MAYBE I JUST HAVE A DIFFERENT MINDSET BECAUSE I COULDT CARE LESS.

Also i'm not shouting just in caps to make sure its seen

 

Just want to point out I’m only a lover of the game and not a developer. My only useful skill is my knowledge of snow

 

It bothers me that when a car isn't easy / good to drive they are the first to say that the car is broken. A few changes in the setup can change the behavior so much. And of course, there are some cars with issues (as seen in another thread).

 

If the people with that terminology could probably say all cars are broken. I fully agree with you and we all should try to help them. They seem very lazy and just go on opinion and whatever is fact is wrong.