Track layouts to receive AI line redos

Actually this is my overall feeling for some time now. The AI are doing great on fast sectors, sometimes very great you just cant match them as a human. And then they are struggling with low speed corners. This is obvious with some track car weather combos. A more balanced situation would be great but i guess its a nightmare to fix this.

Does anyone else have noticed that ?

Nb : i mostly play F1 cars (all eras), around F1 tracks, with AI at 120.

I have yet to test the 1.5.0.7 beta

 

Great news. Yeah, I noticed at Spa 2022 I had to bump up the gt3s to 116 for me to fight for a podium, and I'm no alien.

While we are at it, Salvador that last chicane, the AI tends to be super fast there. Maybe they get away with taking the curbs more aggressively than I could ever do. Maybe worth checking, thanks!

 

Imola 1988, the AI is very slow on a wet track at aque minerali and variante bassa, tested with the F-Classic G1

 

Maybe Barcelona is not the best track to base all calibration on, because it lacks heavy braking slow hairpins as corner type (and in general lacks really heavy braking zones; heaviest is T1, but that is still a third gear corner in many cars), which is exactly where the AI are very weak on many tracks.

I tried to illustrate this point by racing 117 (!) AI on the track with the most slow hairpins in the game; Jerez.

Long story short; every single hairpin they brake too early, are too slow mid corner and only can keep up with the player on acceleration. This video should illustrate the issue very nicely (doesn't have to be watched in full, it's so long to show that it's consistently the same)

 

Yes it's on build 2390.

 

Is there still a calibration pass to do on some of the cars with latest tyre tweaks (eg. F1 V12)? I just tried a couple of 5 lap races at Jerez (Historic & modern Moto layouts) and was way faster than the AI at 100% - default setup, dry, default AI (ie. not custom .xml).

At modern Moto, AI was doing between 1.29.x and 1.35.x where I was doing 1.26.x. Similar differences at Historic.

I'll also mention here, at the Moto race, there was an unscheduled FCY from the start of lap 5 (final lap), so the pack all bunched, but when the safety car pulled in at the end of the lap, as I was in 1st place, I decided to just cruise across the finish line thinking no overtaking would be permitted until the finish line was crossed after safety car, but was passed by most of the field before I reached it, and the result stood (I finished 18th). Is that a bug or is that rule not implemented?

 

Oops wrong thread

 

Are the formula ultimate or GT3 in the new green section?

 

Tried the AI revisions at Spa 93 and Imola 2001 using Formula V10 Gen 1 cars both at 120% difficulty:

Spa 93:

• AI are 2 seconds slower in the beta compared to the live build, I got pole by 1.5 seconds without much effort
  
• they lose a lot of speed going through Radillon/Eau Rouge

Imola 2001:

• AI is faster but I still easily got pole position on 120% difficulty
• they brake later into Variante Bassa, where they lose the most time on live build, but could still be improved
• They brake early into Acque Minerali and lose speed on exit
• They are slow coming out of Variante Alta and brake a good 30m early into Rivazza

 

The F-Classic G1&G2 still cant really handle Hockenheim 88, their line on the second chicane is too aggressive and they bounce all over the kerbs and crash with each other or spin. Also, nothing to do with their lines but anyway, most of the G1's cant complete a single qualy lap because they blow up.

 

Only using custom liveries but no AI files, I attached the screenshots with qualy times for both Spa and Imola at 120% difficulty.

EDIT: Tried Spa 93 in the F-V10 Gen.2 and the AI was much closer, within 0.1-2 secs, but I could still get pole on my second lap.

From observing them in the race, they are fast around most of the lap, but they are slow through Stavelot and as a result they lose 0.5 seconds there

 

Few other feedback using Formula V10 Gen 1

Nürburgring GP:

• generally the AI is fast all around, had a great race with them
• 1 corner where the AI is slow is Dunlop curve where they brake too early and are too slow accelerating out of the corner

Kansai/Suzuka:

• Havent had time to observe the AI during a race but their qualy times are slower than expected.
• On live build at 120 difficulty they lap around 1.33 - 1.34 which is probably way too fast and unrealistic compared to what a human player is capable of
  
• On the beta they do 1.38 - 1.39 which is now just way too slow

Attached screenshots of leaderboard at Kansai, the mobile pic is the live build.
Both are taken with private qualy sessions with the same AI set, which has a tighter field than the default.

 

Whoa, Cadwell Park AI pace is so much better than before. I still beat the Group A AI at 100% and Medium aggression, but they kept it much closer and posted laptimes that were commensurate with their improved pace at other tracks.

And the M3 was an absolute joy to fling around Lincolnshire’s “mini-Nürburgring”. (G25, Default+, 85/60/50/0). Well done, Reiza.

Update: please take another look at Spielberg Historic ‘77 chicane; I was over a second quicker per lap with the same settings as above without even really pushing the M3. The AI obviously need bigger pecs: performance enhancing code.