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Automobilista 2 December 2021 Development Update

Discussion in 'Automobilista 2 - News & Announcements' started by Renato Simioni, Dec 31, 2021.

  1. jonathon

    jonathon Linuxer

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    I'm not sure how a year can be copyrighted. Words and images can be registered as trademarks, designed can be patented, and if anything copyright to the cars would belong to the respective teams. If you implement/copy the FIA reference design then maybe that's an issue?

    There are plenty of people (RSS, URD, VRC, ...) selling car models that are directly based on real-life vehicles but which use a different name so they don't get sued.

    I did also suggest an alternative approach to identifying an era using names based on historical events...

    I'm not talking about whether people are making up issues. I'm asking about why this is a copyright issue.

    Not everyone has access to that information.
     
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  2. azaris

    azaris Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Reiza had previous legal trouble with Liberty Media/FOM over F1 skins in AMS1 being too close to the real ones, so it is possible there is an existing legal settlement preventing them from putting the years in or even commenting on the issue. Not much point in banging on about it.

    I've never understood why mod teams selling their various Darsches and Bayrons don't get sued either, it's probably because they're too small potatoes and therefore "judgment proof".
     
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  3. Roar McRipHelmet

    Roar McRipHelmet Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    Sector3 Studios has to worry about prison conditions in Sweden.
    Reiza Studios has to worry about prison conditions in Brazil. :oops:
     
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  4. BrunoB

    BrunoB TT mode tifosi BANNED

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    Oh man I didnt think of that.
    Yeah I would also be veeery carefull if I was Reiza. :eek::eek::eek:

    The Sector3 guys would probably just take it as kinda vaccation :p
     
  5. jonathon

    jonathon Linuxer

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    Possibly.

    It's because the names are trademarked and need to be protected. If you draw a car from a photo, who owns the copyright to the drawing? If you 3D model a car... ?

    In terms of reverse engineering, using secret manufacturer data directly without permission would cause an issue, whereas using publicly-available measurements would be fine.

    However,

    I asked a question but I'm not sure why that's "banging on about it". But whatever, discussion over I guess.
     
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  6. Ettore

    Ettore Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    I guess because there is no money to be had by Liberty if they sue small modders... It's not worth the effort. A developer is a different thing
     
  7. CB.

    CB. New Member AMS2 Club Member

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    It's banging on because the developer has been quoted saying they think it is too risky and consequently not worth it. Not hard to understand, accept and move on.
    Yet you keep replying that you don't believe it is risky. You may disagree, but they are the ones who determine if the juice is worth the squeeze. Case closed, find another topic to discuss.
     
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  8. Dylan Hale

    Dylan Hale Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    So we can't use years, how about eras?

    Era 1 Prewar GP
    Era 2 60's
    Era 3 70's
    Era 4 80's
    Era 5 90's
    Era 6 2000's
     
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  9. RDG

    RDG Active Member

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    Change the default car number to the year of the car :D
     
  10. FS7

    FS7 controller filters off please AMS2 Club Member

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    How about replace Arabic numbers with Roman numbers?
    50s = Formula L
    60s = Formula LX
    70s = Formula LXX
    80s = Formula LXXX
    90s = Formula XC
    2000s = Formula MM
     
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  11. 2ndLastJedi

    2ndLastJedi Free speech matters AMS2 Club Member

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    Could be onto something here.
     
  12. CatAstrophe05

    CatAstrophe05 The Andrea De Cesaris of simracing

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    OK, OK, but really hear me out here:

    50s: Car
    60s: Faster car
    70s: Even faster car
    80s: Yep still faster
    90s: Faster
    2000s: Faster still
    2010s: You guessed it, faster
    Formula Ultimate: Dear God please slow down
     
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  13. kallenhard

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    Formula Ultimate: Oh Lawd He Comin'!
     
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  14. Dylan Hale

    Dylan Hale Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    The evolution of safety in racing...

    Era 1 "You crash into the crowd and die"
    Era 2 60's "You hit a tree and die"
    Era 3 70's "You hit a track worker and die"
    Era 4 80's "You hit the wall, burst into flames and die"
    Era 5 90's "You're injected out of the car and die"
    Era 6 2000's "You probably won't die, although your bank account will."
    Era 7 FU "The thing you scream as you punch through the barrier burst into flames and di... wait he lived?"
     
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  15. deadly

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    The McLaren MP4 1C did not have this side openings as in your screenshot and in the beta, which is just a fantasy chassis.
    On this part of the car, the sponsor logo (Marlboro) was placed.
     
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  16. oez

    oez Mayor of Long Beach AMS2 Club Member

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    Are you referring to the black stripes? Those are part of the livery as a non-tobacco sponsor "Mission Milborow"
     
  17. Wolfgang Herold

    Wolfgang Herold I Like Liveries :) AMS2 Club Member

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    partly right.
    At Silverstone GP 1983 they had to replace the Marlboro logo as tabacco advertisement was permitted.
    After that race the logo was used again
    Screenshot 2022-01-27 183526.png
     
  18. deadly

    deadly Well-Known Member

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    So, I am sorry, my mistake. To me it looked like openings on the side.
     
  19. Dolph

    Dolph Well-Known Member AMS2 Club Member

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    partly right. tobacco advertisement was NOT permitted
     
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  20. Wolfgang Herold

    Wolfgang Herold I Like Liveries :) AMS2 Club Member

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    my native language is german. So i lost in translation :)
     

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