Automobilista 2 May 2024 Development Update - The Road to V1.6 Pt1

EA or Codemasters, the point about exclusivity remains the same.
I wouldn't even want someone like Geoff Crammond to have exclusive rights to F1 sims. Exclusivity is a closed-system that inhibits new ideas/approaches.

 

Same here. I actually liked the handling of the F1 cars but I only drive in VR and the VR in F123 is abysmal and gave me headaches (which VR usually never does).

 

I dont want a cheese career mode in AMS2. Career modes soon get old and nobody cares and makes the game to look old.

I think most of us kinda roleplay our sim racing career already. So I think we need tools to make our racing career oficial.

I want a racing game with a career mode editor. Something like racing life but that you can create your own career and you can integrate it with the main game.But that is probably something for AMS3.
Something that Reiza could do straight away with AMS2 is a championship playlist, with requirements to pass to the next one.

Either way the idea is to create something that gives us a sense of progress. We can do that with pen and paper but it would be nice to have it integrated with the game.

 

Boring ? F1 is a pinnacle of auto-motosport and that will tell you almost every proffesional driver. Maybe it's not producing exciting racing like it used to be, but it's still peak engineering and if not for racing it's nice to see them go through corners at highest possible speed. You should see them live to know what i talking about.

Anyway, can you see passing with close to 300km/h outside Eau Rouge - Raidillon in any sport other than F1 ? (i know it's older clip when boring cars used to rev to 20k)

 

Back in the day there was an F1 game for Nintendo 64 called F1 World Grand Prix and that game has had challenges. Like the Bridgestone tires are better than the Good Year tires, stay out of the Pits and try to get P6 in a Minardi. Thats was very much fun and I played this mode for weeks.
AMS2 could do something like this in a wider range, that would be absolutley awesome.
Imagine: Lift and cost at Le Mans, try one stop less than the others and win the race.
Or we get a 2007 like F1 car and the challenge would be make Felipe the World champion he deserves to be by not being like Glock

 

Peak engineering with Teams like Haas, that are living from Ferraris scraped ideas and that are hoping someone else will do worse so some points are left to be picked up?
With Teams like Alpine switching from their own engine to be a Mercedes customer because nobody cares about the engine in the back since its all only marketing?
Or some super rich people building a team for their son, so that he can drive F1?

I watched every F1 race from 1994 to 2023, only missing about 5 Grand Prixs (last one was Hockenheim 2018, which jinxed Sebastians season), but this season I finally stopped.

 

I feel what you say, F1 is business at first place now and thats sad reality, but it can't be boring, maybe not as exciting from racing perspective.

 

As I understand it, among the later, maybe 22, or 21, the handling model of the F1 games was improving year on year, to the point it was quite good - George Russell even remarked that it wasn't bad.

So why the change this year? It has to be corpo meddling. and that will only come from EA

 

Cool, cheers

 

My comment, that F1 is boring, was a bit exxagerated.
With Verstappen, Leclerc, Russel, Norris & Piastri we really have a „golden“ generation of drivers, maybe Alex Albon is also as good as them (imagine how his career would went without getting spun by Lewis at Spielberg). Now he is just the sh*t box whisperer

 

I just hope to see more manafacturers back to F1, small teams will be small teams no matter what sport. It's not much about drivers anymore, sure they are good but drivers with sponsors and money behind are priority (unless they are bad), even Hamilton said that. It's a different tone compared to other autosports, that's the payed price of being at the top i guess...

 

I don't like the idea of a half-baked career mode, but at the same time I don't want to be managing finances, buying cars, etc., - which is why I stopped using Racing Life
I like the career mode in PC2, about as simple as you can get.

The absolute best example of a career mode (app) for AMS2 (in my opinion, at this point in time) is For The Win, which you can get on Overdrive. Basically, you have your 'main' career, so for me in this case I started with Formula Trainer. Each sponsor has a set of goals that you are required to meet to maintain/progress your license to the next grade. So that might be, finish top 5 in at least 6 races over the season, or finish the season with no greater than 6 accidents.

At the same time as your primary 'career' runs, you also can participate in a special event such as emulating the Bathurst 1000 or 24hrs at Le Mans, and an event for your license class - in my case, doing races for Prototype Academy also assists with license progression.

I quite like how it works. Obviously like Racing Life you have to enter your own race/qualy/accident results into the app.

 

It's just people overreacting imho. Even if you don't care for the handling it's hard to deny that the F1 series of games tend to provide a solid single and multiplayer experince. That's more than what Rfactor 2, ACC, AC and yes even AMS 2 offer and their AI is the only one that I can confidently say is better than Iracing's.

For full transparency I never played the latest one, but considering my biggest problem with 21 and 22 was the handling being a bit too unpredictable I certainly wouldn't mind having those games but with the handling being "easier"

 

AMS2 already has something like that, sort of, in custom championship mode.
One can create custom championships and play through the game in whatever way they find more interesting, and kind of simulate a career mode. One can establish their own requirements to progress through the next one and have the discipline to stick to the requirements.
Obviously a properly setup career mode would be better, but imo if players need the game to force them to play in a specific way then the problem isn't the game, is the player.

As for "sense of progress", imo that can vary depending of the person. Personally I don't like playing career modes where I'm forced to drive cars I don't like in order to unlock the cars I like, and I don't care about rpg stuff either. I get a much better "sense of progress" going straight to the cars I like, picking a challenging difficulty level, and having interesting races.

Whatever Reiza is planning with career mode I hope they'll make it interesting and make use of all the content that is available in the game.

 

I prefer Apex Rivals for similar reasons. No need to worry about managing money or sponsors, just go racing. To oversimplify what it is, it simulates ~400 AI racers in a "league", racing in different tiers and divisions. So as you progress through your own career, you'll see other AI drivers progressing through their own careers and playing by the same rules as you. It is a paid app via Patreon but you can try a demo version first to see if you like it.

 

Manufacturers won't enter F1 because it's too expensive and there is little to no link with road cars. They won't sell a single car more because of F1. It's glamourous, it attract views but IMHO the audience is now mostly of car incompetent people who look at F1 like they look at another entertainment show.
Just look at how many manufacturers are now in the WEC vs F1. It tells the whole story of what F1 has become.

 

And also in WEC/IMSA with the bop you have limited cost and close competition also the possibility to buy a chassis

In F1 you need to spend 100 million per year and you can be at 2 sec per lap

No company would be crazy enough to take risks like this

 

The ability to make custom championships is a fantastic feature of AMS2 and the thing that keeps me on the sim. I am slowly making my way through running a championships with every car class. I have already done all the stock cars, and did two seasons with a mixed championship with the copa cars. One time with the FL and one time with the Bs.
I have just started a copa Montana championship.

I am trying to use all the cars that I usually wouldn't bother with. I keep each championship 6-8 races. Each race 20-45 minutes.

The real weather option set with a random year gives great variety even when running the same tracks. As I have run a lot of Brazilian series I have been using the south American tracks. There are some real gems not found in other sims.

 

And there is no brand visibility: all cars are technically the same in F1. Can't have your own engine design that makes your road products recognizable, no exterior family feeling. F1 only gives you planetary visibility for people who don't know a Renault from Porsche. In facts you can see that recently teams are made out of other business brands like Red Bull which has nothing to do with making cars really.

 

About the career mode talk..
Anyone interested in a MyTeam Career Mode? Not only for F1 cars..

I'm currently designing For the Win 2 and implement a MyTeam Career is in my thoughts..
But of course, I don't wanna work on something people are not interested xD