Automobilista 2 V0.8.7.1 RELEASED!

Let's try to have a reasonable investigation focusing one element. First, do I think every car in AMS 2 is amazing or "finished?"--no. But let's look at the F-Classic G1-M1:

• Are you saying that with it's huge turbo lag and burst of power at high-rpms it is a stable car to drive on the limit?
• Are you saying that it has unrealistic levels of down force?
• Are you using default boost pressure (60%) or cranking it up (to qualifying levels or just higher because we can)?

My experience is that it can be spun easily at lower speeds if you are keeping it on the boil and needing to manage the power curve as you corner. Does it spin in a high-speed corner--no, why would it with the massive level of down force that car has? It will almost spin in a straight line, even at default boost pressure levels, when you take advantage of higher rpms.

• In real life and in the game, these cars put out shockingly little power even at 9 ,000 or 10,000 rpm--very easy to drive
• They were designed to handle 1,100+ hp, so you would expect it to behave extremely well at anything less than 10/10ths--otherwise no one would (be able to) drive one in anger flap after lap
  • Reminds me of GPL days...I loved GPL for so many reasons, but no one would actually drive a car that bad in real life (the ones we have in AMS 2 are scary enough, but feel 1,000 times more plausible than GPL)
• This car is one that even in a sim experience makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up and you realize how talented the drivers of that era were
  • H-pattern to deal with
  • Massive turbo lag
  • Massive power
  • Massive down force
  • Incredible levels of mechanical grip
  • ...I am sure you are a faster sim racer than me, but if you find this car easy to drive at the limit, then you should consider real racing because you are alien level in our little world here

So, please, describe in a bit more detail where this car is at fault physics-wise. I don't doubt it might be need tweaking (along with all cars in the game), but I fail to see where it is fundamentally flawed.

 

Same for me.

 

Well, I can't say whether an F-Classic is truly authentic because like you, I have never driven one. But it sure doesn't seem inauthentic in terms of behaviour or grip, particularly in the rain/wet. Maybe there is slightly too much grip in the dry, but that wasn't the point of my questions. Can you drive it at 10/10ths (as in qualifying or a very competitive race) without feeling any concern or that it requires a lot of skill? Are you using the 250 hp deduction of the default boost, or the full boost when you do it? The car is a handful to drive (for me) and I can easily spin it trying to accelerate to quickly or too aggressively out of corners. That's what I would expect and that's what I get.

If it behaved like it had some aids turned on or had "magic" grip or braking, I would complain. So, sure, it miht benefit from a small tweak to reduce some grip or down force, but it's not in the category of "fake news" based on my expectations.

I have no idea what the issues are with the Copa Classics from your description? Are they boring to drive compared to an F-Classic? Umm, yes! Are they lifeless?--not at all. Try driving them on a tricky, narrow track like Cadwell Park.

 

Urgh...On the one hand you have people starting topics saying these (And other) cars are impossible to drive, and then topics like this saying they are impossible to spin.
Let's see some video's on the ragged edge.

And at the end of the day I'm pretty sure none of us here have driven one of these, so who's to say what they feel like with their particular chassis, especially when it comes to caster/toe/roll center regards self centering etc.

 

Several times I tried running half the race in a "normal" way (taking care of the tires, trying not to accelerate disproportionately, braking on the correct marks etc etc).

That way I am with average times but ...

The second half of the race forced everything to make the car oversteer and then correct (a totally abnormal and irrational way of driving).

In this way I manage to significantly improve the times.

Actually I "cheat" to win, I do not like this type of physics at all, the problem comes from beta 1 and was never corrected.

 

I've paused the video, will watch it tomorrow/today...It's just gone 6am here and I don't know why I'm still awake. .
PS: Hector, that's not abnormal at all (For some I suppose) :-/ That's how I've always driven in real life, that's just normal to me...Maybe not 'as much' in newer, more modern stuff like GT3Reee.

 

Fantastic work on the new FFB, guys.
Feels great on my DD2. And i don't have to mix any LFB and FX into the FFB. Feels good with LFB and FX zeroed-out.

 

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so we have to change min force value from 0.1 to 1.0 or something else? or it's ready to go as is? i'm still trying to find better settings for my G29

 

I won't waste time replying if you are going to make accusatory comments. But as a parting comment, unfortunately, we don'y yet have the proper pedal input indicators in the HUD--nevertheless you were not flooring the throttle in slow corners as I suspected. Otherwise the car would have been backwards or off the track. You were managing the car with the throttle and steering combined--as in real life. It is pretty easy to stay in control when you floor a car designed for 1200 hp when it is producing only a third to half of that amount, which is the case most of the time coming out of corners as we row through the gears with this car. And, no, I do not need another smart-ass comment about torque versus power. We don't say a torque-ful car in common language and you and I both know power is simply a (consistently) calculated function of torque, so it makes no difference which one you use in this context.

 

@CrimsonEminence, I haven't spent much time for this combo in TT, but it was a fast lap comparing to what I'm usually doing with Stock Car at Interlagos. Almost default setup also. But I doubt I would get near the laptimes I could get in AMS1. That's not an easy car. I'm having a lot of fun with Sprint Race and Super V8 , so Stock Car got a bit out of the way.

Regarding pushing cars to the limit, we need to tell which one at which track if we want to point something. I thought SlowPoke80's first comment was weird, because man, there were a handful of spins when I pushed too much in my TT attempts. Crimson's combo is a good way to point that out. Right at the 0:29 I would say it just understeered sooner than the rear would get loose. The rest of the video makes me think the car is veeery understeering prone. I will test it a bit when I have some time. But what if you make it oversteery in the setup? Both mechanically and aerodynamically (softer front ARB, harder rear ARB / more front wing, less rear wing). Does it get closer to what you expect?

 

@Heitor Facuri Cicoti

I should have been a bit more clear. The cars will still spin around when being too reckless out of hairpins (as well they should, as their wings are stalled at very low speed), but any slide under power with aerodynamics in effect will always be saveable.

I have a specific example for you to try:

Just play around '72 Imola in both sims with the '69 F1 cars. You'll notice a huge difference.

In AMS 2, you will see that, in normal driving, it is extremely hard to keep the cars straight compared to the same ones in AMS 1. However, the slides are always saveable, provided it isn't affected by the slow-speed aero stall out of a very tight corner. The same cars in AMS 1 will stay much straighter under power, but there is a tipping point when a slide can't be saved.

 

I have found I quite annoying bug (was present in 0.8.4.x and is still present in 0.8.7.1). When I race a single race and then choose to race the same race again (restart session) the after race menu is frozen when race have ended and there are no way to get out of the it, except rebooting the computer.

Another minor bug that I have found is that the opponent Beetles sometimes lack fenders except when they brake, then the fenders appear when the breaklights are lit.

Otherwise I love the game and the new time-trial mode is really good

 

Is there anything I can do about the FFB under braking. My G27 is making a lot of noise without even being close to locking up. Other than that, I'm pretty happy with the FFB.

 

There are enough games with tons of content, only half developed. So maybe it is better to make todays content as perfect as could be and expand from there on.
Maybe put in a few european tracks to convince european gamers to get into this game, and after that expand the number of cars..

Just my opinion..