It just seems that someone says something like "tyres have too much longitudinal grip", which is followed by a "how do you substantiate such a claim?", followed by "Reiza know this and are looking into it", yet the initial statement and/or the person who made it continues to be ridiculed. It just seems the defence (of the game) is quick to act and harsh with it, especially when it comes to light that it is apparently a known (by Reiza) problem being looked into. I would hope that some correlation to real life has been conducted, which I know is difficult with all the variables present, but the stopwatch never lies, so I'd like to think it's telling us something close to the truth. Since none of us know each other, and so don't know anything about the experience or knowledge of others, it seems that some of the "elder statesmen", "self appointed experts", or whatever you want to call them, of this forum are keen to put people down because of something vague like "a strange feeling", and I've read comments from these so-say experts that also talk in vague subjective terms. Even real racing drivers talk about vague subjective things, and it's up the their race engineer to make sense of them, so lets stop this putting down of communication just because we don't have the telemetry or real-world data to back it up. I've been trying to love AMS2 for a while now, and it is getting easier as it improves. I know a lot about rFactor 2 and its many faults. Even with its 'world leading' tyre model, I would hazard a guess that some of its exploits would disappear if they modelled the contact patch better (it can't be modelled too well, as it lacks camber thrust (which could explain the camber and ARB exploits) and grip seems proportional to contact patch size (which could explain the low tyre pressure exploit)). It's quirks drive me nuts because I race with it quite seriously, and I hope some competition makes them improve it. Finally, a lot of us don't think AMS2 is doomed, or has an unrecoverable fault due to its use of the Madness engine, so I don't think people are taking pot shots at AMS2 just for fun, I think most here want it to be their 'go to' sim.