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Yes. If you close the brake ducts on some cars too much, the brake fade can be quite noticeable.

 

Yes, this is what I mean. Can‘t this be fixed?

 

These feauters and goodies should be explained somewhere for non racing car experts as myself. Also with LiveTrack. Or maybe this is already explained somewhere and I missed it...

 

Yes, I connected it to a comment by a certain muscley youtube gamer who mentioned "A strange thing still happens where late in the race the brakes suddenly stop working as well!" and I thought - either it's brake fade and the physics fkn rock, or there is a bug and he is correct. I am unsurprised that it is the former. Thanks for clarifying!

 

Using the other bundle should fix this

Automobilista 2 All-Inclusive Bundle for SP Owners on Steam

 

Thanks, but it‘s not working, as I never owned the season pass.

 

He also commented that ACC's tire model was "better", and apparantly deteriorating brake performance never light bulbs him to the fact that this might be purposely modelled to do exactly that.
He's made remarks in the past to the extent of; what's the point of all this complex modeling if "it don't feel right"?
So he might have suspected that's what it was, and that... That is the exact point of why a Renato puts endless hours tinkering and trying to work it out to get it all to function properly.

Pffff... Complex physics are lost on these people or what?
Gotta cut down on the tea I guess...

 

Your bemusement leaves me bemused because this is a point I have raised numerous times in the Reiza forum. The reason why people don't know what AMS2 simulates is because Reiza doesn't tell their customers or the general public! (I rarely use exclamation marks, so that might indicate my frustration with this subject.) Just today I read an online comment that AMS2's tyre physics aren't very complicated.

At the very least, you and Renato and co. should compile a simple list of what is simulated and put it on the AMS2 website or, better still, the AMS2 loading screen or a text-only video. It could be really basic:

• tyre hysteresis
• tyre carcass
  
• brake core heat
• brake exterior heat
  
• fuel viscosity
• air density
• drivetrain flex (and the subsequent audio)
• modern and historic tracks water accumulation and drainage

...and so on. You are all very busy but surely this straightforward explanation is worth the effort, especially when you continue to be puzzled as to why people don't understand what goes on under AMS2's bonnet. Go on, @Renato Simioni and @CrimsonEminence - dazzle us!

 

Not to derail, but yes after watching Niels Heusinkveld's videos on sim physics (an absolute goldmine that for me has greatly enhanced my understanding and interest in racing both sim and real). I realised that comments from anyone that talk about physics separate from FFB are completely confused. It's like saying I love the music on this album, but hate the sound coming out of the speakers.

I can only dream of a video of Niels looking at AMS 2 physics now with this new update. He is a little eccentric but always enjoyable to watch even when he's just awkwardly showing a spreadsheet and making his quirky jokes.

 

I've also complained about the lack of info in cars in the past, but to be fair, they already did an extensive post talking about the physics back in 1.5, and for some people thats not enough, you're never going to win in online discussions regarding physics because nobody has any idea how complex physics simulation is.. even the most "simplified" physics you could find back in the day in the original rfactor would leave 99% of the general public with a massive headache trying to comprehend what is going on.. let alone modern sims like Ams2. So when people talk about simple physics.. honestly? let them talk, who cares? At the end of the day the sim does the talking. (Altough I would personally like to see things like clutch heat and gearbox damage being shown in the hud alongside Brake life %)

 

This is useful information.

What we see in online videos or streaming a lot is people who have no idea how to launch a race car (with our without launch control). Full throttle bouncing off the limiter for the entire start lights sequence followed by a dump of the clutch (if there even is a clutch). That's not how you get a good launch off the line (or treat an expensive piece of equipment you need to still be operating by the end of the race).

 

@Inkta Anything the devs write in the forums or in developer notes is quickly buried and forgotten. There needs to be something permanent, accessible and easily understandable. It doesn't have to explain "how" but "what". A list of one or two-word items would suffice as a good reference.

 

I think this is a fair point, especially because there are things modelled (for both physics and damage) that do not appear anywhere in the HUD or UI.

 

I'd say the best we could have is more info on the HUD, to show things like brake fade, but honestly I don't see the point saying that we have tyre flex or drivetrain flex since what really matters is the driving experience. Again just my opinion here.

 

Yes absolutely, a reference web page (or even forum post) gathering important information actually scattered over zillions posts in obscure threads would be very useful.
As a starting point, it could just be gathering and rearranging what has been written in dev posts and technical forum posts (including from beta forum) by Renato, Crimson and others that shed the lights about important aspects of the sim (that are still current), be it physics, car specific things, car specific race rules, unique features, little known features... There is the AMS2 WiKi but it is quite incomplete and not ideal IMHO in term of presentation.
Easier said than done of course, but in the long run it would be more effective than having that info scattered all over the place.

 

Talking specifically about brake wear, also clutch damage and gearbox damage. It's so easy to burn the clutch with certain cars, and I know for a fact some people treat clutch damage as a bug..

 

@CrimsonEminence You are assuming that players have a basic knowledge of motorsport and/or physics. I think Reiza should assume a player knows absolutely nothing and take it from there. Hot and cold brakes in the UI might indicate braking effectiveness to the player, but it's a conceptual leap to expect them to know about brake fade or damage during a long race.

When in doubt about the level of idiocy and ignorance, imagine it's me behind the wheel.