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My only gripe with ACC is Unreal engine lol other than that it is fine on his own...so I agree, comparing the 2 titles is useless...

If I really need to compare a sim to another I would talk about RF2 and how "good" can be "mediocre" at least due to bad development and not for being bad per se...

 

In case you did not notice the comparison with ACC comes from the original post (written by someone else) I was responding to. I think some of the AC/ACC fanboys here see AMS2 fanboys everywhere as soon as anyone objects to the official narrative even when it's not the case

 

I used to love playing ACC, but AMS2 ruined acc for me. Driving is more fun in ams2, and I have to choose between usable framerates or a blurry picture in acc vr.

 

I think comparisons are useful but if done appropriatly and respectfully. Kunos and Reiza have very different methodologies in capturing vehicle physics and it is interesting to compare the results, albeit it may be hard to empirically judge one over the other. Nonetheless there are things that both sims can learn from each other and this can only benefit players of both titles in the future.

 

Thanks. at least from me because all this 'other sim' stuff would be better in its own 'Sim Comparison thread' .There's is certainly enough material and worth discussion.
As interesting or not as it may be to some.

Had the same issue in some, not all cars. Its likely brakes/tyres and other changes combined, causing this. Reports, post's here and in Beta are always noted and taken onboard for ongoing updates, so improvements should come at some point.

 

No existing sim an really approach realism because most people do not have access to the massive computing power to simulate every possible element of physics. Developers have to make compromises. On the whole AMS2 does an excellent job of simulating drivability across a really wide range of vehicles. I constantly find new ways to be faster on various tracks driving different cars. It's all about teaching the majority of us who will never drive a race car skills they can replicate. AMS2 consistently challenges me to find fast "solutions" on every track.

 

I like AMS2... I also like ACC.

 

I feel like the SC20/21 was actually pretty good last year before the great tyre upheaval right before Christmas (just like all the cars on vintage tyres, such as the BMW 2002 and Mini 1965). Since then it hasn't been the same, it just feels like the tyres or suspension are wrong and while it's slightly faster than irl it just doesn't feel connected to the road, you are constantly slipping and sliding all over the place. That isn't helped by the oversensitive brakes.

So maybe just a revision of the tyre model could fix all the problems. And based on the summary of comments from Vitor Genz, the iRacing version isn't that realistic either (too much oversteer) but because iRacing has better competitive multiplayer that somehow makes it more realistic(?).

 

We went from terminal understeer to chronic overseer.

 

Idk about making it more realistic, but it certainly makes it more fun. Even though physics and ffb I personally find fairly worse than AMS2, the only reason I don't do iRacing anymore is money.

I can pay for it, but I find the prices absolutely ridiculous due to exchange rates and I'm a little bit of a penny-pincher. Girlfriend, friends and family keep saying I need to buy a newer car, but my old ass 2005 Clio takes me from point A to point B as any other car, so why would I replace it?

Btw, @Renato Simioni please NEVER add Clios to any AMS title!

 

I'm somewhat against that, Clio Cups are always great fun to drive and race

BTW since we've been talking about ACC so much lately I went ahead and tried it again yesterday after not touching it since v1.7 came out with only about two hours in the BMW M4 GT3 after its release. I found that I had a really hard time controlling the cars, probably due to being used to AMS2 so much. They felt really nervous with a loose rear that didn't communicate very well what it was doing through the wheel. No idea if it's a thing with grip or just the different FFB feeling. Maybe ACC is too loose, maybe AMS2 is too forgiving, no idea. I'd probably have to get used to it again but in the end I'm not a big fan of GT3/GT4. I do like those sounds however, the Huracan sounds like nothing else in simracing <3

 

Always felt that way for me. Feels like the car's behavior can't be influenced by how you try and set your car: in a given corner or phase of a corner the car wants to oversteer and no matter what you do with your setup the car will keep doing that. Your changes are only marginal in affecting the car's behavior and communication of its intentions through steering wheel very bland.
All you are left with is only adjusting the way you drive

 

I don’t think acc is helped by its numb ffb

 

• Organized races directly in the sim that everyone knows when it's gonna happen and can jump into with people of similar skill;

Nowhere in the written translation feedback do I read iRacing multiplayer makes the car more Realistic.....he labeled it a "PRO" of the service.

Glad to hear that the exit oversteer and brakes have been acknowledge and being looked into by the iRacing devs.

 

I prefer Mini over Clio so I am really happy about that...
Also REIZA hinted to Hyundai I10 (?) race car some time ago so I think the Clio isn't needed anymore...

 

Not everyone like to feel the rear wheels, shifting or engine in the steering rack, simply because a lot of effects that are put into FFB in games do not belong there in a true Simulation.

 

I wouldn't say this is "true," but it is a matter of preference. This is why Reiza has split the Default and Default+ FFB profiles. Default is closer to steering rack only forces, while Default+ tries to communicate lots of other subtleties.

Of course, whether you like to feel the "seat of the pants" forces translated through the FFB/wheel is not only a matter of personal preference, but could also be affected by ownership of a motion rig (or lack thereof!)

 

the only way to achieve a true simulation is with a full motion rig with probably 8 different axis.
feeling the rear is quite important to driving irl , but most of us only have a little motorised wheel clamped to a desk or other ridged platform.
so there has to be something that allows you to feel something your brain can distinguish as rear behaviour otherwise you are missing half the information a driver has in real life . which we are all wanting to simulate.
the problem comes when some sims over exaggerate it or some don’t have anything at all until it’s to late (R3E ) , therefore it is delayed information.

 

That's my common experience with ACC. The back end starts wanting to be the front end with no clue that it's coming. Sure I could probably find ways to tune it out, but when I can jump into AMS2 and be running something challenging, but fun with superb graphics in less than five minutes, why bother?

 

I personally really like the AC non C FFB, the dampening feels like I am actually moving tyres on the ground. Lately I'm finding AMS2 to be so free spinning, so much so that I've increased the dampening to 70 in game and I still have weird overly loose steering. I have DRI off in my Wheel yet AMS2 feels like it is set to 5.