Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

Buy her a copy of automobilista 2!

 

Yes, if you want a divorce

 

I thought this thread was all about sharing and getting feedback...

I think the way I do it (put everything in the same post) avoids that. I can even delete older versions, so I wish to, without disturbing conversation.
I urge others to do the same.
Nobody is obliged to test or use posted files. Praise files/authors without even test the files, like you did, is not useful at all and creates a culture of personality instead of contemplating virtue.

Thanks.

Because someone (privately) put forward a doubt, I would like to make a note that my file requires setting up the system in a particular way (put torque limitation at wheelbase/driver level, because it's safer). Please, read my "original post" (the one in my signature).
Other files, from other creator/modders, have equivelent conditions like changing the GAIN changes not only the gain but the transfer curve itself, requiring also a particular way to setup the system. Either way is valid from a functional point of view, but they must be honoured to get the intended effect.

BTW, the reason I was contacted privately is exactly the because of this "praetorian guard" we see everytime someone says something they don't like, even if it doesn't harm anyone (like comparing feeling with other sims). Please, respect others oppinions and counteract with valid discussion arguments - we must change this culture of polarization in very topic of every area of human existance. Let's do our part here in a sim that we all love (or else we wouldn't be here, right? )

 

Ok Charlie.

 

good morning guys, can anyone share me a custom ffb for podium dd2? I am very happy with the default+ profile, but I would like to try a custom profile.
Thank you

 

Your Custom FFB File Collection This thread has all the custom files in the OP with links to this thread.

 

You could try 'my' DD1 profile. Its 99.5% Danielkarts V500 but with a few tweaks to suit me.
Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

 

Here's the full discussion @Michael3. Don't remove context.

 

I think you misunderstood. I'm not judging, just describing. I hope people keep posting new versions of their files and what I was saying is, it looks like people will keep doing it, even if they announce their final file. I think it's funny and it shows the dedication and ambition and I hope it stays this way.

I do also think that you misunderstood Michael's comments. It can happen, I'm not a native speaker either.

 

Ricxx is a good boy and I know you didn't mean it that way. Physics and FFB divide people in sim racing. What is the best experience for one person is not useful for another. Getting involved with Personalized FFB and the Base is a good thing and you will always be one step ahead of people who don't do it. This is a Custom File thread and anyone should be allowed to post files. No matter when he wants to do it, how he wants to do it, how often he wants to do it. And this thread or these files don't sink into the mud no matter who they come from. As I said, I won't start over again, I'll just react to bigger changes if necessary. With this in mind, test a lot and exchange ideas with each other

 

I'm not entirely sure what Kuku meant by that. Let's not forget that for non native English speakers lots of nuance of language gets lost. I don't want to know how many times people talk past each other because of that.

As you say, all these files that get uploaded, the feedback and the exchange of ideas is what moves everything forward.

If we keep collecting files and keep them in one place, nothing is lost in this thread. People can just click a link and also read the context around the file that was posted. I personally have a favourite file I keep going back to, but I enjoy giving all these files a go and try to understand the 'language', because that's what FFB is.

 

Tested Karsten latest file (rFuktor 5.0.1.3 variant exp) and it works very well on my T818 except one thing. When car is parked it's hard to turn the wheel and I've got massive oscillations when I take my hands off. What parameter/value i can change to reduce turning force/friction when car is stationary?

 

Nice work on this file @Karsten Hvidberg

I like the stationary resistance at standstill. Once again, your scrub and Tear details are superbly tuned (FX at 30%). I do like the overall feel a lot, too. The SAT response is very balanced and smooth, almost seems to make car handling easier than ever.

The only drawbacks I see so far, is the strong resistance on grass and not feeling much (if any) reduction in resistance on wet tracks. Haven't tested ffb on Dirt tracks (as motion in AMS2 is currently borked on dirt surfaces). At some point I can make a few tweaks down the line but, this version should work as an excellent starting point.

Once again, Thank you so much for sharing your work!

 

It seems that nobody is interested in listening to advice from experienced tuners.
I’ve been involved with this project since just about the beginning, some 350 odd pages ago , I’ve seen a lot of people come and go. I’ve seen the development of karstens work and tested and given feedback on most of the versions, I’ve uploaded many many files , especially in the peak development phase, and would have been one to post multiple edits in one day . But things have matured for he original rFuktor , so there’s no need for constant changes thankfully, I think I’ve maybe only publicly released about 4 files in the last year .

what experience tells me is , there’s a lot of people that get overwhelmed by this mammoth thread , that has lots of different approaches to ffb , and they may have come to it based of a comment or suggestion in another social platform , then just assume that all custom files are the same, and grab the last one the see posted and
Try it out , often without the correct settings, as they may read the setting’s philosophy of someone else’s file as it’s hard to know as a newbie who’s talking to who about what. ( mud )
So they might have a terrible experience, and then just shake their heads and say custom files suck they aren’t for me, then go off and tell whoever wants to listen on whatever social network they might be on.

so there is a responsibility of modders to try and make sure that what they are uploading to be well tested in my opinion .. based of experience.
But it seems like experience isn’t greatly respected here in recent times , and is meet with passive aggressive behaviour.

 

I think this is more of an issue of forum formatting for uploading files to reference to, than anything else. I update the files I use all the time, I know people that haven’t updated in over a year. Lots of people are helpful if you need something and can’t find it. This is all extra anyways, I think most people that go into looking for custom FFB are decently well settled into AMS2 already. Just my .02.

 

I agree with you but the last segment.
As a 54yo person, I take experience seriously (no wonder...), I cannot compete with 20yo people doing 80% of the tasks , but I can use my experience for the 20% left.
But experience is not a status, it must be proven over and over again (I mean, in laboral and life context, not here).

I think I prefer to post my progress and get feedback to move forward, but I understand your concerns about immature files all over the place. I post all files in a single post to avoid that noise, but still...

I've used your files in the past and I appreciated using them. Thanks for that.
But as a newby in these matters, I feel some strange resistance, as I don't belong. Maybe is just a communication problem, maybe is because I'm (too much) straight forward (criticizing AMS2) and create many antibodies, maybe is just me in bad mood.

 

@Karsten Hvidberg, welcome back, we missed you , without risking your marriage , please don't abandon us, there was too much confusion and there is a need for technical moderation and clarity opinion.

Maybe I'm wrong but it seems to me that in the new file 5.0.1.3 Exp the two variables suspension and suspension 2 are poorly coordinated with the code, furthermore it would seem that only the item suspension flows into the output (no suspensio2)

(suspension_scale 0.0) #how much the suspension is felt.
(suspension2_scale 0.0)

In the dynamic only the first is ok....
(suspension_scale (* suspension_scale bump_weight_scale))
(suspension_scale2 (* suspension_scale2 bump_weight_scale))

Then in the suspension code is ok ....
(left (- (smooth FL_load 0.02) (smooth FL_load 0.1)))
(right (- (smooth FR_load 0.02) (smooth FR_load 0.1)))
(suspension (+ (* left mom_FL2) (* right mom_FR2 )))
(suspension (spring suspension 2500 1.0))
(suspension (* suspension 0.002 suspension_scale))
(as (blend (min 1 (* (abs steering_angle_rack) 10)) 1 0))
(as (power as 0.7))
(as (smooth as 0.1))
(suspension (* suspension as))

(left (- (smooth FL_load 0.1) (smooth FL_load 0.5)))
(right (- (smooth FR_load 0.1) (smooth FR_load 0.5)))
(suspension2 (+ (* left mom_FL2) (* right mom_FR2 )))
(suspension2 (spring suspension2 2500 1.0))
(suspension2 (* suspension2 0.002 suspension2_scale))
(as (blend (min 1 (* (abs steering_angle_rack) 10)) 1 0))
(as (power as 0.7))
(as (smooth as 0.1))
(suspension2 (* suspension2 as))

But in the road_features (and then in the outpout) is present only the suspension and not the suspension2 ....

(road_features (+ slope_large suspension rear road_bumps road_details (* texture texture_scale 0.5)))

The fix is simple ... but regardless can I ask you why the second suspension... and why both suspension and suspension2 scale set to zero??

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Another doubt but this is irrelevant, in the following code it seems there was a typo I'm referring to this 0.1 in bold... maybe it's an old remnant of a tested function (smooth or power)...

(acc (/ kmh (max 1 (smooth kmh 0.005))))
(acc2_vel (- acc (smooth acc 0.1)))
(acc2 (+ 1 (* accel_feel 0.3 600 (max 0 acc2_vel))))
(acc2 (max 0.66 (min acc2 1.5)) 0.1)

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I admire what you are trying to do , it’s the first custom file in along time that is actually starting from a fresh with totally different format and language.
My comments are not directed specifically at anyone. just in general in reply to a general comment.


I think you have been treated badly by some , and unfortunately it’s also the reason i don’t especially feel welcome, there’s a false narrative and lots of misinformation based of certain beliefs that aren’t the be all and end all facts
. so i now only look to give technical help to those people that specifically ask when it’s relevant to the file base i know well.

 

I'm going to take a break from the forums for awhile, but before I go I wanted to thank all of the modders who have built these customs. I've tried so many and finally found the one that suits me. Each one is different and if/when you find the one that suits you, you'll be amazed how much it can change the sim. My hats off to all of the creators!

Happy holidays to everyone and I'll catch up next year.

 

Yes, that's how I feel too, no more rabbit hole for me. I just enjoy the simulation and if there are any changes (maybe yes, maybe no) I will let you know