Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

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i had to swerve a car that pulled out in front of me a few months ago. i was going a touch over the national speed limit. I remember every ms of that moment and this delay was deffinately a factor. i had to be very delicate until i could feel how much grip there was. it took me a while to get used to the atmos file with that delay but i am comfortable with it now. i'm pretty sure irl (in my audi s3 at least) that the delay is even greater.

 

Surely those moments must have seemed endless to you ... for now I use minimal delays so as not to have filters on the sensations and functioning of the code (I do the tests on the G920 which is the very low range and I already have a lot of delay and friction so I need immediacy to understand what the high end may need, thanks obviously to the guys who are always available) ... however if you want now more delays just remove a decimal 0 from timing 1 to timing 4 and leave the initial and timing 0 unchanged

 

Thanks for the head's up; I've updated the FFB Collection to include your revised file and @Danielkart's V2000 all Bases file.

 

ATMOS V1.5.7.X - BASE + Partial Old_D_raw



CHANGELOG (only further changes compared to the previous BASE version):

New code implemented in the slip:
-calculation of tires average lateral slip front & determination of the front lateral scrub breaking point;
-calculation of tires average lateral slip rear & determination of the rear lateral scrub breaking point;
-calculation of tires average longitudinal slip front & determination of the front longitudinal scrub breaking point;
-calculation of tires average longitudinal slip rear & determination of the front longitudinal scrub breaking point;
-calculation of tires slip_speed_rear_avg;

New code implemented in the yaw:
-allow yaw sense only on oversteer;
-calculation of the oversteer multiplier;
-calculation of reduce_load_norm;
-calculation of slide_lat_avg_rear_yaw;
-overall redetermination of the yaw following the changes indicated above;

New redetermination of the scrub effect, now following the changes in the code indicated above:
-insertion of the lateral break points (front and rear) into the scrub;
-insertion of the longitudinal break points (front and rear) into the scrub;
-insertion of the slip_speed_rear_avg only in the rear scrub, now the effect in the rear is reduced if sliding;

New redetermination of the tear effect, now following the changes in the code indicated above;
-insertion of the slip_speed_rear_avg only in the rear tear, now the effect in the rear is reduced if sliding;

New code implemented in the damping:
- new code for increase damping on oversteer with compensation;
- new code for damping on low lateral force and under 150 km (lateral and velocity compensation);
- new code for reduce damping if is sliding (sliding reduction).

Spoiler: OLD CHANGELOG FOR BASE VERSION

CHANGELOG:
What's new in how objects work (with or without new code in the file):
- New "3 main_dials" now sets to 1.00;
- New "tyre_resistance & timing" now calculated on 5 moments and not on 3 (the functioning and the formula was misinterpreted in the previous files because it was unclear);
- Center_Full low_velocity (0 Kmh) during acceleration morphs to high_velocity (250Kmh);
- Centering recalibrated and force_scale set to manual (small differences on both values bring great benefits so I didn't use the formula);
- The code relating to velocity and the gyroscope has been slightly modified, so now all velocity variables can basically start from a value of 1.00 (modify anyway if you like);
- Removed the front_grip_loss_feel (this was an error in my previous files the formula was misinterpreted and instead the rear_grip_loss_feel alone was enough to get what you want);
- The follow_weight dynamics are now 5 different (accel, brake, bump, road and suspension);
- The "front & rear drive_torque_feel" are now calculated differently or rather both in an increasing manner and as a function of the speed from 0 to 250 km where above we will obtain the maximum longitudinal forces;
- The RELAXES have all been disabled (OS, US and YAW) and the code inhibited, the car is very balanced without them (but if you want to re-enable them you can do it by deleting the # symbol both in the objects and in the code below relating to the Relax);
- Now you can also set the smoothness for textures and for both large bumps (not just for micro bumps);
- New scrub and tear values added, now with additional variables to change on both effects to your liking (we have hardness, damping and effect);

New code only:
- KART code move up before the dynamic code and enjoy this now this feature, it still to be tuned or WIP, we will do it later (code disabled if you want to do so, delete the # symbol in front of the respective lines);
- We have a new code "if isTRUCK...." i.e. I have implemented, if you need a different melody from the base, a specific code for the TRUCKS to be set to your liking, it still to be tuned or WIP, we will do it later (code disabled if you want to do so, delete the # symbol in front of the respective lines);
- Added rolloff, offTrack and offTrackRollOff code to many items of the code such yaw, scrub and road_effects (this will make more sense later with the other files that implement the reiza code);
- the Slide variables are no longer connected to the scrub (even only to the rear one) but only to the original Slide variables (this will make more sense later with the other files that implement the reiza code);
- New load_norm_wheel, now the value is no longer fixed at 250 but is variable based on the weight and mass of the car, this allows you to lighten the load (the wheel) if you are in the air, on the grass or if you slip , furthermore the variable value will influence the way you feel curbs and bumps (depending on the car) and enhances surface variations as happens a lot when sliding on dirt roads (RALLY is great fun) or bump roads and reduce that sensation of weight which is always perennial (in subsequent files this change will be more noticeable when we implement the REIZA code);
- The REAR has been removed in the ATMOS. Not because it is wrong but because the file already has the entire rear (slide, grip, textures, curbs, bump and all the effects) and does not need to be implemented as in the original file because only the front variables are calculated there.

I stopped bothering you for the moment, the file is a neutral base that can be used by everyone, at the beginning of the file I inserted some simple recommended value ranges to first experiment with the cursors in the game and if necessary modify the main_dials as desired or go directly to the individual objects ... as regards the high range/DD, as usual, limit the Lfb and the Damping as much as necessary, raise the GAIN to your liking, trying not to reach either clipping or any oscillations, and finally raise Fx to your liking... the medium/low range on the other hand can also risk the use of the Lfb, on the Logitech G920 I use 95-25-50-25 but I won't deny that I also really like 70/80-50/ 80-50-25 ...

If you are interested you can find the first ATMOS 1.5.7.x BASE version here:
Automobilista 2 Custom Force Feedback - Overview & Recommendations

I just ask you to mentally start from the beginning by resetting your brain otherwise feedback of superiority or inferiority is absolutely useless to me if based solely on useless comparisons ... this is another file and in the future will even most, with others Reiza implementations!!

Info for Tuning:
- this version of ATMOS 1.5.7.x "BASE+Partial Old_D_raw" file does not have tuning optimization and is identical to the first BASE to allow immediate comparison, if instead you have modified the first BASE file enter the same values to compare it better;
- since the new lateral and longitudinal slip variables have lowered the level of forces, only the tire resistances at times 1 and 2 have been increased, if you find them low or high adjust them accordingly;
- however, if you are using it for the first time, I have no indications to give, tune it and adjust it as you see fit.

Have fun, I hope so....

EDIT: Tested on the AMS beta 1.5.8 version, the new lateral and longitudinal forces enhance Reiza's changes on the tires (such as hysteresis, overheating and slip ranges), remember that we are at the beginning and that these are not the final files, especially in the tuning which is totally neutral even if pleasant, later we will have time to adjust it in an even more coherent way....the next file?? BASE + Partial NDef_imm

 

Whoops ... re-uploaded v2.81a to include both @Stakanov's BASE & BASE + Partial Old_D_raw files.

 

This is another file ..... We will have three lines of files....
BASE
BASE+Partial Old_D_raw ----> BASE+Full Old_D_raw
BASE+Partial NDef_imm -----> BASE+Full NDef_imm

 

So wait, this file is the newer version of the file which included the fixes to the stiff steering?

 

Where is the BASE+ NDef_imm & 2 +BASE+Full versions located? Or, rather, I suppose the key word is "will" have for the moment....

 

No the extreme hardness of version 1 of the basic file had been partially correct with the BASE V2 or FIX, certainly the forces are still to be balanced but you can already rebalance with personal tuning (I will do it later);
Now this is the second file that has not been done to solve the problems of the first is another profile even if the base is the spread, involuntarily or fortunately the changes introduced partially reduce the defects of the former, add other characteristics and worsen others;
Finally we will have the 3rd profile the immersive;
At the end of the development I will make the definitive tuning, now it's too soon to do it, the purpose is to find you with 3 profiles and choose the one you like

 

WIP ... 3rd files next week if I stay alive others in the future...

 

This BASE + Partial Old_d_Raw seems to me less irremant and grumpy than the BASE one and therefore the cut on the lateral and longitudinal forces is felt, but I want to test it well, thanks for this you saved me the weekend.

In the meantime, what should we expect from this next NDef_imm ??

 

Optimization for the single car ... the immersive Reiza profile (unlike RAW) has variables that are linked to FFB settings for each car (I do not refer to the physics that is the same for everyone and each car has its own physics) ... I am referring to the FFB, I explain better, each car has its own level of scrub, engine, yaw, damping etc ...

Furthermore, in the immersive there are many more characteristics, some already operated, others prepared and others still not activated .....

 

Even if I have an excellent equipment I have to admit and tell you that I am really denied to make changes on the settings or set the files with my harmony.
But this FFB file likes more and more because despite being clumsy I can get what that I want with the cursors at stake and then if I want to lower an effect down that value and I find my balance.
More I can't do, but now I'm happy with this game. Thank you @Stakanov

 

Just tested your latest with the new Simucube beta firmware...It's shaping up nice! keep up the great work..

 

You are working without touching the values of harmony in the least, but the more implementation code and the more the waters are calm ... I confirm that for now we have only good sensations, both here, on me on a DD1 basis and on the steering wheel of my son T300.

 

Wow. I came here to say something about the Atmos file I just tried, to realize the discussion exploded with new builds B). Anyway, I had a file from last week and it felt absolutely brilliant. I used my favourite testing toys: Porsche 962C and Porsche 911 GT1 (latest beta build).
Your ffb has one thing which I absolutely dig: great front end load/unload feel. Holding force in fast turns is insanely great.
The only thing which bugs me a bit is the same effect which I do not like on default profiles, but yours is much more tamed. And that is that weird countersteer effect which feels like the game has some aid enabled wanting to help me with countersteering.
Anyway this is my new ffb profile to use, and I cannot wait to try newer builds, thanks for these!

 

For now, staying with the same base and the same tuning serves to evaluate the different nuances between the files, but as soon as I finish the 5 files, we will move on to optimizing the tuning and creating new variables that can be set to vary every aspect regarding the new code implemented … as the countersteer effect that is modifiable, when I get home tomorrow I'll look at it and point it out to you!!
Everyone will be able to choose the file they want among the 5 and set it as they want...

 

Its like Christmas every friggen day here! Fantastic!
About to try the new file

 

Has anyone tried feeding a force feedback file into Chat gpt. I wish i had more knowledge of how to talk to it and get it to do what i want. I fed it parts of a file but i just don't understand.

Might be a interesting experiment for people who know what to do with it though